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Cyrtopogon pyrenaeus (Courtship)
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Yesterday, Spain!, Pyrenees...
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...another view, then flied away...
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Rámon, this is a fantastic asilid!!
 
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It is not Pamponerus, the white seems to be hair on the first segments of the abdomen and not part of the wing. This creature seems to lack a facial protuberance and wing veination is also pointing in an other direction..........I'm going to track this thread for i want to know too what this isFrown
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Even not in the Asilinae subfamiliy. The frontal wing cell is open. Have a look at Cyrtopogon and allies.
 
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Last night I looked by default at Cyrtopogon because i ended up in Holopogon and knew that had to be wrong.......I can't find a useful key and comparing pictures lead to nothing......I just keep on tracking......
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Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/

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How about Crobilocerus?

"bee-like flies with dense white or black and white hairs on sides of abdominal tergites. Antennae ending in a tuft of bristle-like hairs" Majer in Contrib Man Pal Diptera

Fauna Europea list C. auriger for France

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no, cannot be, now I've seen the later thread with a a close up of the antennae which have normal aristaFrown
So is it a particularly hairy cyrtopogon? Asilidae are so trickySmile
 
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I took my old friend Engel (1938): Cyrtopogon pyrenaicus. In translation: (7-, p. 323) front tarsae in both sexes yellow, only the last segment darkened. In both sexes, the 2-5th tergite yellow dusted in the centre and with golden yellow hairs, also the hind margins yellow dusted. The anal segment shining black, short and dense haired in the male, bare in the female. Intriguing remark of Engel: -pulchripes would key out here according to Loew-
 
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Thank you everybody.
Found this: http://www.faunedefrance.org/bibliotheque/docs/E.SEGUY(FdeFr17)Dipt.Asilidae.pdf (see drawings from pag. 81)
You can compare with the photo amplied...
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what is the conclusion?
 
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ja, ja, ja
The conclusions for the professionals... I am very amateur...
It seems the wing veneration doesn' feet perfectly although the photo is a little perpendicular.
The description you mentioned seems it feets very much.
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By the way, this description could feet with my -some days ago- post: http://www.diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=32518 (?)
 
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Cyrtopogon pyrenaicus it is (?)


Nice Mark, your old friend i just ordered a copy of Engel, palearctic Asilidae 1930 had to come from the US. Can't wait...Smile It is a bit older than yours, hope there haven't been too many changes.
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Greetings,

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Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/

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I have a male specimen of Cyrtopogon pyrenaicus in my collection and it fits perfectly with the photograph.
 
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New photos from this year...
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In love... More photos if desired...
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amazing series. And I think the correct spelling is Cyrtopogon pyrenaeus...
We want more photos, of course! Wink
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From august `21 I add some links to Cyrtopogon pyrenaeus courtship...


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