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 Unknown Hymenoptera (September)
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 24-10-2007 01:23
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 Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14126 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! For this one I don't even have an idea about the family. Found on September-17 at the wall of our house (Ostwestfalen/Germany), size about 5 mm. Any hint appreciated, thanks in advance! Juergen Peters attached the following image:  [32.93Kb] Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 28-10-2007 00:27
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14126 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! No proposal anybody? 
Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 28-10-2007 09:01
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Has a male antish appearance, but not like the most regular ones.
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| Christian Schmid-Egger |
Posted on 28-10-2007 09:53
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Member Location: Germany, Berlin Posts: 233 Joined: 05.08.05 |
I also think that it is an ant (Formicidae). Regards, Christian |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 28-10-2007 10:51
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
antennas don't fit for an ant. |
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| Andre |
Posted on 28-10-2007 15:01
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Yes they do Jorge... it's a male.. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 28-10-2007 15:07
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
strange antennae.  |
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| Andre |
Posted on 28-10-2007 15:26
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Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Men are strange, didn't you know that? |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 28-10-2007 19:00
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14126 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! Many thanks to you all! I must admit that my first impression of this was of "something antish like", the second thought was: "or is it an ant???", but at last I thought: "no, this can't be an ant because of the unkinked antennae"... Edited by Juergen Peters on 28-10-2007 19:01 Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 28-10-2007 22:12
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I know there are males with almost straight antennas, but never with this appearance - i mean with beads!!! Almost all ants have elbowed antennae exception to the males. But these antennae are very unusual. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 28-10-2007 23:20
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
I was not worried about the antennae but mor the general shape of the head with the bulgy eyes.
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 28-10-2007 23:22
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
i suspect that it is some kind of an obscure wasp. I might be wrong though. |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 28-10-2007 23:45
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Member Location: Awirs (Flémalle) Belgique Posts: 901 Joined: 13.08.04 |
First Formicoidea ... I have large doubts because of the shape of the head too! no lateral view? cthirion |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 29-10-2007 00:34
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14126 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! cthirion wrote: no lateral view? Unfortunately not. I mostly try to get also lateral shots of the animals, but in this case it was difficult from it's position. It appeared rather flat to me - another reason, why I did not think of an ant finally. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 30-10-2007 08:58
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
A male of a myrmicine ant.
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| Andre Jas |
Posted on 04-11-2007 11:47
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 Member Location: Georgsdorf, Germany Posts: 485 Joined: 04.10.04 |
Hi Juergen, I'm absolutely not sure but it looks like Bethylidae to me. I'd even say maybe, just maybe a Goniozus sp??? Andr? Jas |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-11-2007 17:34
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
hmm.. the propose of Bethylidae wasp seems to me much better.  |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 04-11-2007 22:59
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14126 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Andre! Andre Jas wrote: I'm absolutely not sure but it looks like Bethylidae to me. I'd even say maybe, just maybe a Goniozus sp??? Thanks for your reply! I must admit I have never heard of that family  , just have to check what I can find about it.
Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 04-11-2007 23:11
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Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14126 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello! Juergen Peters wrote: just have to check what I can find about it. I see it's a very interesting group ranging from parasitism to primitive social behaviour. If it is Goniozus: there is only one species listed in our region, Goniozus claripennis, parasitizing on lepidoptera larva (Tortricidae, Pyralidae etc.). Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-11-2007 23:38
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Juergen... I posted before here some Bethylidae wasps. Check it out. |
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