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Unknown Hymenoptera (September)
Juergen Peters
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Hello!

For this one I don't even have an idea about the family. Found on September-17 at the wall of our house (Ostwestfalen/Germany), size about 5 mm. Any hint appreciated, thanks in advance!
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Hello!

No proposal anybody? Frown
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Has a male antish appearance, but not like the most regular ones.
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I also think that it is an ant (Formicidae).

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antennas don't fit for an ant. Frown
 
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Yes they do Jorge... it's a male..
 
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Frown strange antennae. awkward
 
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Men are strange, didn't you know that?Grin
 
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Hello!

Many thanks to you all! I must admit that my first impression of this was of "something antish like", the second thought was: "or is it an ant???", but at last I thought: "no, this can't be an ant because of the unkinked antennae"...
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I know there are males with almost straight antennas, but never with this appearance - i mean with beads!!! Frown Almost all ants have elbowed antennae exception to the males. But these antennae are very unusual. awkward
 
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I was not worried about the antennae but mor the general shape of the head with the bulgy eyes.
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i suspect that it is some kind of an obscure wasp. I might be wrong though.
 
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First Formicoidea ... I have large doubts because of the shape of the head too!

no lateral view?
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Hello!

cthirion wrote:
no lateral view?


Unfortunately not. I mostly try to get also lateral shots of the animals, but in this case it was difficult from it's position. It appeared rather flat to me - another reason, why I did not think of an ant finally.
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A male of a myrmicine ant.
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Hi Juergen,

I'm absolutely not sure but it looks like Bethylidae to me. I'd even say maybe, just maybe a Goniozus sp???
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hmm.. the propose of Bethylidae wasp seems to me much better. Smile

 
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Hello, Andre!

Andre Jas wrote:
I'm absolutely not sure but it looks like Bethylidae to me. I'd even say maybe, just maybe a Goniozus sp???


Thanks for your reply! I must admit I have never heard of that family Wink, just have to check what I can find about it.
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Hello!

Juergen Peters wrote:
just have to check what I can find about it.


I see it's a very interesting group ranging from parasitism to primitive social behaviour. If it is Goniozus: there is only one species listed in our region, Goniozus claripennis, parasitizing on lepidoptera larva (Tortricidae, Pyralidae etc.).
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Juergen... I posted before here some Bethylidae wasps. Check it out. Smile


 
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