Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Bibio handlirschi?
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| oxycera |
Posted on 25-08-2019 11:28
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
From Yorkshire, England 24th Aug.2019. Would be new to UK I think, if correct. Can anyone confirm? oxycera attached the following image:  [198.98Kb] |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-08-2019 15:37
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19325 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Would be a big surprise, but then again, it looks odd and the date is definitely odd. Do you want me to ask Jean-Luc Haenni ? Theo Edited by Zeegers on 26-08-2019 11:13 |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 25-08-2019 16:39
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
Yes please, that would be very good of you. |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 26-08-2019 08:27
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
Prof.Skartveit considers this to be B.clavipes. Zeegers - thank you for your input. |
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| Colobo |
Posted on 26-08-2019 08:56
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Member Location: Switzerland Posts: 85 Joined: 03.05.07 |
I incline for B. clavipes as well. A side view displaying hind legs would allow to ensure identification. |
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| eklans |
Posted on 26-08-2019 10:34
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Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 4545 Joined: 11.11.18 |
Both sexes of B. clavipes should be black IIRC. What about Apiloscatopse flavicollis (Scatopsiodae)? Eric Edited by eklans on 26-08-2019 10:37 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 26-08-2019 11:13
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19325 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Yes, we would need to see the legs properly. The date is extremely early for clavipes. Theo |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 26-08-2019 15:12
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
eklans wrote: Sorry, this really is not a scatopsid.What about Apiloscatopse flavicollis (Scatopsiodae)? Eric But it does match the picture for handlirschi here. Edited by Paul Beuk on 26-08-2019 15:35 Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| eklans |
Posted on 26-08-2019 15:53
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Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 4545 Joined: 11.11.18 |
No need for sorry - that was nonsense  I was confused about the female B. clavipes - only found males and had a erroneous source for the females. Thank you Paul Eric Edited by eklans on 26-08-2019 15:53 |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 31-08-2019 20:09
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
I can check the legs, so please, what does IIRC mean? |
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| eklans |
Posted on 31-08-2019 21:09
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Member Location: Franconia, Germany Posts: 4545 Joined: 11.11.18 |
IIRC = if I recall correctly (but I didn't) Cheers, Eric |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-09-2019 08:14
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19325 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Still, please check the hind femur. Theo |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 01-09-2019 20:17
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
The hind femora are pale, indeed all femora are pale. Rest of legs pale too, except last two tarsal segments, which are dusky. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 02-09-2019 06:34
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19325 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It is not about the colour, but about the shape. Without picture in lateral view, we cannot judge it. Theo |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 02-09-2019 10:40
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
oxycera attached the following image:  [66.24Kb] |
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| Colobo |
Posted on 04-09-2019 20:14
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Member Location: Switzerland Posts: 85 Joined: 03.05.07 |
Definitely Bibio clavipes with elongate and somewhat clubed hind femur and tibia. Compare with shape of hind leg of B. handlirschi in Skartveit & al. 2013, fig. 2 https://hrcak.src...ile/153546 |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 05-09-2019 10:58
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
Many thanks for your contribution. |
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