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| Isidro |
Posted on 12-07-2007 08:01
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2092 Joined: 26.04.07 |
Last Saturday at Sierra de Guara, Aragon, Spain. Size: maybe 2'5 cm without antennae and evopositor. Habitat: wall in a village, Mediterranean pre-pyrenees, dominated by Buxus sempervirens, Pistacia terebinthus, Quercus ilex and Rhamnus alaternus. I have more pictures (lateral view and head) but are very bad, if someone need it for identify I will upload these pictures.  Thanks! |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 13-07-2007 00:41
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
My guess is Braconidae ... but that's just because most dark-winged ichneumons with long ovipositors tend to be braconids  |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 13-07-2007 09:05
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Member Location: Awirs (Flémalle) Belgique Posts: 901 Joined: 13.08.04 |
not Braconidae, is Ichneumonidae Gelinae !
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| Isidro |
Posted on 14-07-2007 21:48
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2092 Joined: 26.04.07 |
More approximation???? Genus???.... Thanks.... |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 14-07-2007 23:37
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Member Location: Awirs (Flémalle) Belgique Posts: 901 Joined: 13.08.04 |
?I do not work this group! near steanrella???? 
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| Isidro |
Posted on 15-07-2007 23:20
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2092 Joined: 26.04.07 |
A friend tell me Wroughtonia spinator. Is correct? |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 16-07-2007 08:01
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Member Location: Awirs (Flémalle) Belgique Posts: 901 Joined: 13.08.04 |
I do not think, it is Braconidae! http://www.bembix.de/gallery/ichneumonidae-htm/Wroughtonia%20spinator.htm cthirion |
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| Isidro |
Posted on 16-07-2007 21:17
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Member Location: Zaragoza, Spain Posts: 2092 Joined: 26.04.07 |
You have reason! Is not W. spinator! The picture of the link have slighlty different shape, the posterior femora are very different in colour and form, and the posterior tarsus are more white in W. spinator than in my insect... I upload more pictures, but are not good quality and probably aren't enough to identify it... Some more opinions? Christian?    |
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| Christian Schmid-Egger |
Posted on 16-07-2007 21:30
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Member Location: Germany, Berlin Posts: 233 Joined: 05.08.05 |
I don't work with Ichneumonidae, and I think only a true specialist should give a diagnosis. The 4000 Central European species (some less in Spain) are really close and similar, and identification is nearly impossible in most cases. I know some specialist, and they all hesitate or avoid to identify photos. Regards, Christian |
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