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 Empididae (John Carr); SW Spain
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 29-04-2022 15:49
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 Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 927 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Old photos, February 2021. Looks like Dolichopodidae to me, but that proboscis is very strange for this family. So, no idea.  ¡Saludos! Andre Burgers attached the following image:  [275.73Kb] Edited by Andre Burgers on 02-05-2022 15:16 errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 29-04-2022 15:50
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 927 Joined: 23.04.10 |
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Andre Burgers attached the following image:  [250.89Kb] errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 29-04-2022 15:50
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 927 Joined: 23.04.10 |
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Andre Burgers attached the following image:  [240.43Kb] errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 29-04-2022 18:32
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 Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8927 Joined: 22.10.10 |
Clinocerinae or Brachystomatidae. |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 30-04-2022 11:21
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 927 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Thanks, John.  From a strange Dolichpodidae to a strange Empididae.  I will look into these sub-families. ¡Saludos! errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 03-05-2022 19:59
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19012 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Dolichocephala
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 03-05-2022 21:11
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 6907 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Don't think it's Dolichocephala - the head is attached in the wrong place (almost at the vertex in Dolichocephala). Having said that, trying to resolve the large mouthparts with the wing venation and leg morphology leaves me a bit puzzled...
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 04-05-2022 07:59
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 927 Joined: 23.04.10 |
So, an interesting fly!  And maybe now I am saying something very stupid, but could it be a Clinocera species?: https://www.biodiversidadvirtual.org/insectarium/Genus-Clinocera-cat27191.html Thanks, the three of you, for your time and expertise. ¡Saludos! Edited by Andre Burgers on 04-05-2022 08:23 errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| igor |
Posted on 22-05-2022 20:45
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Member Location: Posts: 288 Joined: 23.11.06 |
Heleodromia Best wishes, Igor |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 23-05-2022 07:19
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2042 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Heleodromia doesn't seem to fit either. Clinocera seems to fit better. But let's wait for the experts. Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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| igor |
Posted on 23-05-2022 20:14
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Member Location: Posts: 288 Joined: 23.11.06 |
This fly belongs to Brachystomatidae, not Clinocerinae of Empididae. More precisely: Pseudheleodromia Wagner, with single described species (P. helvetica) from Switzerland. Pseudheleodromia is identical with Heleodromia, except forked R4+5. Best wishes, Igor Shamshev |
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