Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Tipula ID -> T. caesia
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 18-02-2022 07:31
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 Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2011 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Could this be Tipula oleracea? May, in a park in Vienna 
Edited by Carnifex on 01-03-2022 11:22 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| clovis |
Posted on 20-02-2022 21:29
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 937 Joined: 08.06.10 |
No, it can't. But it is much more interresting, other pictures? |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 21-02-2022 08:22
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2011 Joined: 23.06.15 |
only this one with roughly the same angle:
Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| clovis |
Posted on 21-02-2022 12:49
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 937 Joined: 08.06.10 |
I have never met this specie. it should be T caesia |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 21-02-2022 17:44
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2011 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Thanks clovis! Difficult to find information about that species. As this observation might be the first record for eastern Austria, are there any closely resembling species to be confused with? I have 11 other Yamatotipula species listed for the country Edited by Carnifex on 21-02-2022 18:10 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| clovis |
Posted on 21-02-2022 20:11
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 937 Joined: 08.06.10 |
I do not know if someone work on Tipulomorpha in Austria. In weastern Europe, specie is rare (in France, only few recent records). Did you look at the craneflies catalogue? It could be confused with other species with blanck anterior margin of the wing: T (Y) marginella et T (Tipula) sp. |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 22-02-2022 17:48
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2011 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Hm, I actually feel that this species rather belongs to the subgenus Tipula and not Yamatotipula - I find T. errans or subcunctans quite similar
Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| clovis |
Posted on 22-02-2022 23:02
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 937 Joined: 08.06.10 |
Actually I took precausion because I have never met this species. This is undoubtly a Yamatotipula, and it can only be T caesia according to keys and as I know all other austrian species (except T riedeli I have no information on at all) |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 26-02-2022 16:26
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2011 Joined: 23.06.15 |
I reached out to regional Tipulid experts, but no response so far. Clovis, could you please help me understand how to recognize Yamatotipula? Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| clovis |
Posted on 27-02-2022 21:18
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 937 Joined: 08.06.10 |
Try the keys of Peeters and Oosterbroek 2014 (in dutch). In the case of this species, with the black anterior band of the wing without white bande after it (as in Tipula subgenus) lead you immediatly to the subgenus |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 01-03-2022 11:14
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 2011 Joined: 23.06.15 |
Using the key you recommended, I also read that some of my other suspects were autumn species. So it really boils down to this species. One expert wrote me back with the same principal ID, he just doesn't want to make a final call, based on only these two photos
Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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