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A Scenopinus species
lweit
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Posted on 01-07-2016 17:06
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Hello
I found this little fly (5-6 mm) in NE of France (Distroff, 57925) the 30/06/2016
I think it's Scenopinus fenestralis. Male or female ?

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Louis
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A second photo
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Posted on 06-07-2016 09:31
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Hello
Nobody to confirm this species ?

Thank you
Louis
 
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Kelsey's key (1969) is only moderately helpful als it provides a rather crude key to the species and that does not include several more recently described species. It is Obvious that the wings are not entirely hyaline but have some darkening on the anterior half and along the posterior margin. Does this lead one to 'wings hyaline' or to 'wings brown'? Anyway, some characters are not visible, but there is a median groove on the frons. This fits with lesinensis (only known from Austria) but that should have the halter nob creamy below (that fits) and red-brown above (impossible to confirm from these images but it lookis as if there might be a darker part on it). Would you care to send the specimen?
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Hello Paul, thank you for your answer.
I can send you the specimen, but it had "suffered", only a part on one wing. Where, what address ?
I join a photo of the halter in dorsal view
Louis
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See the link in the left column: Sending material and visiting. The new picture looks promising for lesinensis...
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Ok Paul i send you thé spécimen.
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Hello Paul
no identification for these species (send in your lab during week 28) ?

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Sorry, work and holidays intervened. First examination also seems to be in favour of lesinensis but I need to prepare the abdomen as it has become very flat. Hopefully today...
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Hello Paul
Does the microscope given a specific species ?

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Preparing Scenopinus was something new to me but it turned out quite well. In Kelsey's it indeed results in lesinensis . Now I need to rule out the species described by Carles-Tolrá. Smile
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Thank you Paul
we wait TumbsUp
Louis
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Hello Paul
Can you confirm the species S. lesinensis after comparison with the species described by Carles-Tolrá.

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Louis
 
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LoL, I had not located Carles-Tolrá's publication yet as our library does not carry the journal. Can I simply find it online!
His species are both in a different species group so consider the identification confirmed. Smile
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Hello Paul
Thank you for your confirmation, so finally Scenopinus lesinensis (a new species for France).
The publication is here :
http://www.entomologica.es/cont/publis/boletines/1051.pdf

Louis
 
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Posted on 12-11-2023 01:36
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Hi lweit,

The link: http://www.entomologica.es/cont/publis/boletines/1051.pdf is not working anymore and the website is very difficult to navigate. The 2016 pdf of the bulletin have nothing about Scenopinidae in them. Can you find the paper?

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Elias
 
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