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| Gumenuk Vitalij |
Posted on 14-01-2014 14:33
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Member Location: Posts: 1303 Joined: 26.11.08 |
Moscow Region, Ramensky area, village Hripan vicinities (Хрипань). 2013.05.27 Gumenuk Vitalij attached the following image:  [193.98Kb] |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 14-01-2014 14:35
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Eristalis sp.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Gumenuk Vitalij |
Posted on 14-01-2014 14:42
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Member Location: Posts: 1303 Joined: 26.11.08 |
Many thanks |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 14-01-2014 17:59
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 848 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Actually E. nemorum. Greetings, Ectemnius |
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| Gumenuk Vitalij |
Posted on 14-01-2014 19:34
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Member Location: Posts: 1303 Joined: 26.11.08 |
Many thanks |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 14-01-2014 22:41
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
I think that this is a typical arbustorum male. |
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| Gumenuk Vitalij |
Posted on 15-01-2014 06:07
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Member Location: Posts: 1303 Joined: 26.11.08 |
Piet Nord I agree. Thanks |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 15-01-2014 12:20
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 848 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Ah yesss, that's what I'd meant to say... |
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| Mark-uk |
Posted on 15-01-2014 13:27
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 Member Location: UK - Hampshire Posts: 792 Joined: 01.02.10 |
I too would have said probable arbustorum, just from the general look of this the fly. But would have needed to see the front tarsi clearer than can be seen in these photos to be sure. Could I ask Piet & Gumenuk what features gave this away as arbustorum please? |
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| Gumenuk Vitalij |
Posted on 15-01-2014 13:36
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Member Location: Posts: 1303 Joined: 26.11.08 |
I simply compared the picture to other pictures from the Internet |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 16-01-2014 17:46
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
I would like to give a citation of Mark: Mostly just the look and feel from looking at 1000s of them.  No, in "nemorum" you have a very small/short pterostigma and in our case it is much too large. In most specimens of "nemorum" you have well defined triangle spots on tergite 2, sometimes you might have some bright color in anterior corners of T3 but the yellow color is never in such extention as our male is showing. Typical "nemorum" with short pt and in coloration: http://www.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=2055 Finally you have in arbustorum/abusiva those broad and white respectively yellow posterior margin of tergites. I'm sure that this specimen listed as interrupta in the gallery belongs to arbustorum/abusiva: ww.diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=195 Regards Piet |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 16-01-2014 18:14
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 848 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Hello Guys, The two features which lead to E. arbustorum is the stigma which is longer then wide and the mid-tibia has the top darkened. It's entirely white in E. abusiva. Greetings, Ectemnius |
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| Gumenuk Vitalij |
Posted on 16-01-2014 18:44
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Member Location: Posts: 1303 Joined: 26.11.08 |
Piet Nord - Thanks, good argument. Ectemnius - Too it is convincing. And what final conclusion? I am not able to make it - I only photograph :-( |
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| Fred Fly |
Posted on 16-01-2014 19:28
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 395 Joined: 19.07.11 |
Conclusion still is arbustorum. abusiva is excluded by the first view on eyes meeting in a long distance. |
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| Gumenuk Vitalij |
Posted on 16-01-2014 19:32
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Member Location: Posts: 1303 Joined: 26.11.08 |
Piet Nord - agree |
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