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anthomyia pluvialis?
ff57	#1 Posted on 22-03-2010 21:33
Member Location: Cavriglia (AR) - Italy Posts: 355 Joined: 28.02.10	27-06-2009, Parco Agricolo Sud Milano - Cornaredo (Milan - Italy) The classification is correct? Thanks... ff57 attached the following image: [134.7Kb]


ff57	#2 Posted on 22-03-2010 21:34
Member Location: Cavriglia (AR) - Italy Posts: 355 Joined: 28.02.10	... ff57 attached the following image: [127.16Kb]


ff57	#3 Posted on 22-03-2010 21:40
Member Location: Cavriglia (AR) - Italy Posts: 355 Joined: 28.02.10	This is another sample photographed in the same place on 13-09-09 ff57 attached the following image: [122.18Kb]


javanerkelens	#4 Posted on 22-03-2010 22:47
Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07	I realy getting grazy sometimes with those A.pluvialis / procellaris... Two female like to be A.pluvialis, but with the male i have doubt, but when found on the same place , we should presume it would be also A.pluvialis. I realy have to examine those two species.... For now...Anthomyia pluvialis for the female Anthomyia cf pluvialis for the male Sorry.... Joke


Michael Ackland	#5 Posted on 25-03-2010 16:10
Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08	It isn't easy to name these Anthomyia species from photos. The locality also needs to be taken into account. The 1st photo is probably a female of A. procellaris or bazini (rare) or quinquemaculata, this is a southern locality. The 2nd photo is probably A. pluvialis female. The 3rd is a male of procellaris or even bazini or quinquemaculata. There are other characcters one needs to look at in close up to determine the males including the genitalia and especially sternite 5 in profile. Females are even more difficult, so one shouldn't be too hopeful to be able to put a name to a photo. If you really want a definite det you will have to catch one and put it under the microscpe.