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 Heleomyzidae, Suillia atricornis
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| JariF |
Posted on 17-03-2009 14:44
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Hi, I have some flies from last summer without even a family name. This poor little fly is one of them. It was very fresh, because the wings were not hardened and it flies in the end of our season. One of my last flies from past summer. October 7. 2008 Helsinki, Finland. Any ideas where to start ? Jari JariF attached the following image:  [84.08Kb] Edited by JariF on 18-03-2009 12:13 |
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| Nosferatumyia |
Posted on 17-03-2009 16:00
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Habitually, can be a Palloptera: one or, 1 presutural dc seta, dark antenna, short pubescent arista, easy shriveled when dies... Try some Pallopterid keys first. Also, are there some similar Suillia in Heleomyzidae with such a long vertical setae? Edited by Nosferatumyia on 17-03-2009 16:04 Val |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 17-03-2009 16:40
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2431 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Hmm, I cannot see the vibrissa (maybe broken !). Look like Suillia atricornis ! 
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| JariF |
Posted on 17-03-2009 17:42
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Thank You both ! I tried gently roll open one wing and there are no black dots at all like most of the Pallopteridae has. There are small spines on costa like Suillias have and if I look with the highest magnification with my scope I believe I can see the small black dots where the vibrissae has been. This specimen is in bad condition but it somehow looks so funny and strange at the same time. Maybe because the missing (broken) vibrissae. I don't have Pallopteridae with dark antenna. What could it be if the wings are clear (or slightly darkened) and the antenna is dark ? This poor little thing is getting interesting  Jari |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 17-03-2009 20:29
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Is Suillia atricornis a Suillia with postpronotal seta?
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 17-03-2009 21:15
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2431 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Why not ? Genitalia are typical !
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Nosferatumyia |
Posted on 17-03-2009 22:15
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There are dorsal tibial setae, so it is seems to be a heleomyzid.
Val |
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| JariF |
Posted on 18-03-2009 10:27
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Hi, thank You again all of You I think I will name this as Suillia cf atricornis as long as I can find a key to be sure. This is a new species for me so I have no possibilities to compare. Thank You once more. Jari Edited by JariF on 18-03-2009 10:27 |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 18-03-2009 11:33
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2431 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Hi ! S. atricornis is the only species within the genus with dark blackish-brown to black antennae ! ... and with VIIth segment longer than the VIth one in the female
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| JariF |
Posted on 18-03-2009 12:13
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Wow, that's it then Thank You so much ! Jari |
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