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 Very strange fly.... Vermileonidae - Vermileo cf. nigriventris and Vermileo cf. vermileo
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-07-2006 20:56
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
It not seems a conopidae fly but perhaps Culicidae family?? Taken today - 19th July 2006 in Silgueiros - VISEU. near window... Title changed from "Very strange fly.... Conopidae family?" to "Very strange fly.... Vermileonidae - Vermileo cf. nigriventris", then to "Very strange fly.... Vermileonidae - Vermileo cf. nigriventris and Vermileo cf. vermileo" jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [143.52Kb] Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 12-10-2007 01:32 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-07-2006 20:58
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
another view...
jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [150.99Kb] Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 19-07-2006 21:01 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 19-07-2006 21:09
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Not Conopidae I think - possibly Asilidae? |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-07-2006 21:21
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Chris Raper wrote: Not Conopidae I think - possibly Asilidae? Asilidae is very improbable... Asilidae doesn?t have a so recurved abdomen, they are much greater. They have legs much hairy. And the fly is much different than Asilidae flies. |
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| Andre |
Posted on 19-07-2006 22:03
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Still, Jorge, this is an Asilidae flie... probably of the genus Dioctria. Flies in this genus can be very small, slender and almost bare! So be aware....  |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 19-07-2006 22:06
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
I am that it somwhat resembles thinking Trichopeza longicornis of the Empididae, but several things are 'off'. Did you collect it? If so, a view of the full wing please. Can you also tell something about habitat, size, etc.?
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-07-2006 22:10
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Andre wrote: Still, Jorge, this is an Asilidae flie... probably of the genus Dioctria. Flies in this genus can be very small, slender and almost bare! So be aware.... I thought that Asilidae cannot be so much bare like this one!My mistake. Raper was rigth.  (I thougth so, but we were all wrong And so small like this one. The fly seemed like a mosquito! Ok. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 20-07-2006 00:30 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-07-2006 22:16
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Paul Beuk wrote: I am that it somwhat resembles thinking Trichopeza longicornis of the Empididae, but several things are 'off'. Did you collect it? If so, a view of the full wing please. Can you also tell something about habitat, size, etc.? Size - about 6 mm. Habitat - i found this one inside home... constantly fly against window like mosquitos... |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-07-2006 22:22
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Paul Beuk wrote: I am that it somwhat resembles thinking Trichopeza longicornis of the Empididae, but several things are 'off'. Did you collect it? If so, a view of the full wing please. Can you also tell something about habitat, size, etc.? If I could get images of wing venation for probable genus I could try to see what can it be. I have the specimen in ethanol 70%... Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 19-07-2006 22:26 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-07-2006 22:34
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Paul Beuk wrote: I am that it somwhat resembles thinking Trichopeza longicornis of the Empididae, but several things are 'off'. Did you collect it? If so, a view of the full wing please. Can you also tell something about habitat, size, etc.? Not very good photo, but I hope it can be useful. jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [163.46Kb] |
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| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 19-07-2006 23:52
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 Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
This is an unusual fly - genus Vermileo (Family Vermileonidae). The larvae of these flies make pits in protected, sandy areas to capture insects (like ant lions). (ID by Shaun Winterton, CDFA.) Eric Fisher |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-07-2006 00:19
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Eric Fisher wrote: This is an unusual fly - genus Vermileo (Family Vermileonidae). The larvae of these flies make pits in protected, sandy areas to capture insects (like ant lions). (ID by Shaun Winterton, CDFA.) Eric Fisher If this confirms... diptera gallery will grow. I thought in this fly unusual. The fly, as I say before, is very similar to a mosquito. (not to an asilidae fly). This fly enables for me to learn that there are, however, asilidae with not such hairy in legs. The other suggestion by Paul Beuk was a good one but I saw the photos of Empididae flies, and this fly haven?t a character that is very conspicuous in all Empididae. There is no an extension that begins in mouth (I don't know how it calls that structure.) like a proboscis... In true, I was not totally convinced, but now it seems more strong and consistent with this possible ID - Vermileo sp.I saw some photos of Vermileo, and this one is very similar (with just a little difference, but essential the same): http://www.vialattea.net/spaw/Image/biologia/May2005/vermileo_vermileo.JPG Now, I feel we are in the right way... but I want to hear more opinions! Thanks to all!! |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 20-07-2006 00:21
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Two species in this genus are likely to occur in Portugal - V.nigriventris and V.vermileo. See http://perso.oran...vermi2.htm for pictures of V.vermileo. I suspect that your specimen is V.nigriventris, but only by elimination - I haven't seen a description!
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-07-2006 00:29
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Tony Irwin wrote: Two species in this genus are likely to occur in Portugal - V.nigriventris and V.vermileo. See http://perso.oran...vermi2.htm for pictures of V.vermileo. I suspect that your specimen is V.nigriventris, but only by elimination - I haven't seen a description! Latin Nigriventris... (if i?m not wrong) means black womb. This fly is very dark indeed. More later, I will take more photos to get more crisp images and put them on gallery. Anyone saw this fly? Is it, indeed, a rare sight? |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 20-07-2006 08:02
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LoL, The only vermilionid I have ever seen was far different from this one.  Nice find!
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 11-06-2007 22:21
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
In last Thursday, in holiday day, I spotted again Vermileo! Not sure if Vermileo nigriventris though. I spotted the fly near window. Take a look.
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 11-06-2007 22:22
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
other view
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 11-06-2007 22:23
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
head profile.
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 11-06-2007 22:35
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
i think the fly I spotted is really Vermileo vermileo. I'm waiting for confirmation. Thanks! I used this ancient thread so you could compare with the other Vermileo. See specially the abdomen. It is rather different. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 11-06-2007 22:44 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-06-2007 14:30
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
sorry for asking again, but I'm really interested to know the ID of this vermileonid fly. It could be a specimen of Vermileo vermileo? Thank you! |
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