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 Leptocera or related to ID (Sphaeroceridae)-->Leptocera cf. caenosa
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 24-11-2020 16:41
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 Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Very small fly on the window, 24/11/2020 (Spain: Girona: Catalonia: Beuda). Identification following Marshall & Richards in McAlpine et al 1987 Manual of Nearctic Diptera to Leptocera, but then stopped as arriving to a cul-de-sac (as there are some genera missing in that key, present in Spain, Carles-Tolrà, 2002). Wing apparently functional; halter with knob Cell cup open to wing margin, CuA2 absent, and cell bm confluent with cell dm; CuA1 never reaching wing margin, except as a weak fold. LIMOSININAE Disc of scutellum bare. Margin of scutellum always bare between apical bristles Mid tibia with a long preapical ventral bristle Mid tibia with an apicoventral bristle Scutellum with six marginal bristles (so it's not Peremis fenestralis) Leptocera Olivier (four subgenera). rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [271.55Kb] Edited by rafael_carbonell on 11-06-2024 23:19 |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 24-11-2020 16:42
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 24-11-2020 16:42
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 24-11-2020 16:43
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 24-11-2020 16:46
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Mid tibia with a long preapical ventral bristle and with an apicoventral bristle Scutellum with six marginal bristles rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [200.96Kb] Edited by rafael_carbonell on 24-11-2020 16:47 |
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| daveb21 |
Posted on 27-11-2020 12:54
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Member Location: Norfolk UK Posts: 161 Joined: 30.10.14 |
Hi Rafael, You have missed the small setae on either side of the scutellum just behind the thorax (they can be hard to see) Leptocera nigra seems most likely, to confirm if it is nigra there will be along postero-apical bristle that extends downwards over and close to the metatarsus and acrosticials will all be short |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 27-11-2020 17:38
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Thanks for your answer  1. There are 8 lateral marginal setae on scutellum 2. I have been looking the mid leg of L. nigra to compare, here: http://www.spessa...leg3a.html and it looks similar. On my fly mid basitarsi there is: - one apical ventral setae - one apical posterior setae (any of them extends downwards over and close to the basitarsus) (when you say "metatarsi" do you refer to hind tarsi?: there are only a row of hairs there) 3. There are several rows of setae on mesoscutum (more than the usual for calyptrata) and it’s hard to say which rows are achrosticals, there could be some long setae in there ... or not 4) Do you know which sex it is? rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [283.25Kb] |
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| daveb21 |
Posted on 27-11-2020 17:54
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Member Location: Norfolk UK Posts: 161 Joined: 30.10.14 |
On the mid tibia, postero apical, extends directly downwards, it's very close to the basitarsis and can be hard to see even though long and strong. If the acrosticials aren't distinctly longer and stronger than other setae then should be nigra. Looks like a male from the shape. |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 27-11-2020 18:25
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Hi David (?), is it possible the quetotaxy of the mid leg of the male of this species is different from the one of the female ? In the link shown before there is a mid leg of the supposed male; but there are pics of other specimens, a different one from a supposed female: http://www.spessa...leg2a.html Anyway, the apical tibial setae next to basitarsus could be hidden in my pictures... In this other picture it seems there are no long setae on achrostical postion, so we can say this is Leptocera nigra: rafael_carbonell attached the following image:  [170.39Kb] Edited by rafael_carbonell on 27-11-2020 18:39 |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 27-11-2020 20:10
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
Finally I understood that Leptocera nigra thorax has hairs (that look like small setae), small achrosticals and big dorsocentrals. "Acrosticales indistinctes de la pilosité du fond."(Séguy) L. fontinalis and L. oldenbergi have hairs, big achrosticals and big dorsocentrals (Acrosticales distinctes de la pilosité du fond.) I found my specimen different from this one Leptocera nigra: http://www.microp...0nigra.htm but now I understood this one has the dorsocentrals fallen. Edited by rafael_carbonell on 27-11-2020 22:55 |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 11-06-2024 23:19
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
There is no elongate posteroapical seta on the mid tibia, ruling out Leptocera nigra. This is either Leptocera caenosa or Leptocera fontinalis (based on the key to European Leptocera in Rohacek (1982)), I'd be inclined to say L. caenosa since the arista appears to be fairly long-haired but the palps or terminalia aren't visible to confirm. Gregory Kuwahara at https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/65528643 |
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