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 Paragus haemorrhous?
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| amalia_raluca |
Posted on 13-11-2007 20:57
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 Member Location: Romania Posts: 590 Joined: 22.03.07 |
Romania: Iron Gates Natural Park, July 2007
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| amalia_raluca |
Posted on 13-11-2007 20:58
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lateral view
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| amalia_raluca |
Posted on 13-11-2007 20:59
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 590 Joined: 22.03.07 |
genitalia
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 13-11-2007 22:16
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Yes, I think so. Showing genitalia is a very helpfull. 
Stephane. |
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| Andre |
Posted on 14-11-2007 00:09
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
NO! Nicer, this looks a lot like Paragus coadunatus Rond. But you need someone to check it closer for you!  (according to faunaeuropea it's not yet known to Rumania. It is known from Italy, Morocco and from Madeira). |
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| amalia_raluca |
Posted on 14-11-2007 12:06
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 590 Joined: 22.03.07 |
Thank you both. I have more specimens collected that look alike (males). I didn't find in my books this Paragus coadunatus so I didn't have the chance to compare. maybe this forum will help me more... Amalia |
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| amalia_raluca |
Posted on 19-11-2007 21:38
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Member Location: Romania Posts: 590 Joined: 22.03.07 |
I contacted Ms Stanescu and she send me a paper that describe species from the Paragus genus, so I found also P. coadunatus. Then I remembered that my first problem concerning this species was the ....literature. So I decided to post here some information by the species and also o picture of the genitalia: fig 2- P. coadunatus, fig 4 - P. haemorrhous. P. coadunatus - the paramere, view from profile, on the superior and inferior margins distinctively divergent. The eyes joined for a little distance and the occipital triangle larger comparing with other species; the third article of the antenna very court. The abdomen bicolor, first and second tergites are black and the red colour beggins gradual with the third tergite. The paper which contains those information (and the scanned picture): R?vision du genre Peirre Goeldlin de Tiefenau - Paragus(Dipt. Syrphidae) de la region pal?arctique occidentale, 1796 (in Bulletin de la Soci?t? Entomologique Suisse, 49). Looking to the scanned picture and to my picture I could say that is the same species, but I don't have a good exercise of the eyes...so what do you think...could be the same? thanks, Amalia (hope that it is no problem that I use a scan picture for posting here. I didn't post the entire scanned page, but if it is necessarily.. ) amalia_raluca attached the following image:  [63.88Kb] |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 05-10-2016 19:45
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I'm a beginner but I would say (deleted). Here is your picture reversed
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 05-10-2016 19:47
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
.. (deleted message)
Edited by rafael_carbonell on 29-11-2020 19:55 |
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 29-11-2020 19:52
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Now I see the important structure is the surstylus shape (in violet)
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| rafael_carbonell |
Posted on 29-11-2020 19:54
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Member Location: Beuda, Girona, Catalonia Posts: 687 Joined: 23.03.06 |
... and here my interpretation (but maybe I'm wrong)... the surstylus fits well with that of coadunatus but the "green piece" (I don't know the name) is a bit different
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