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| guenille |
Posted on 05-11-2007 18:52
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 Member Location: France Posts: 714 Joined: 22.06.07 |
In first time I named it phasia funesta but now I am sure it is not one. But what it is ? good question  can you say it ?Thanks for your patience and gentiless edith Near paris, june 23th guenille attached the following image:  [115.85Kb] |
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| crex |
Posted on 05-11-2007 19:08
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 Member Location: Sweden Posts: 1996 Joined: 22.05.06 |
Anal vein seems to reach wing margin ... |
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| guenille |
Posted on 05-11-2007 19:44
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Member Location: France Posts: 714 Joined: 22.06.07 |
Oh noooooooo don't say Anthomyiidae  |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 05-11-2007 20:07
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Anal vein also reach wing margin in Scathophagidae. I'm not sure, but what about Cordilura? Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| conopid |
Posted on 05-11-2007 20:23
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 Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
I agree with Nikita. Last night I determined a Cordilura ciliata, which looks very much like the fly in the photo with silvery grey dusting on the face and the sides of the thorax. However the wings were yellow tinged, rather than dark as in this fly.
Edited by conopid on 05-11-2007 20:24 Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| guenille |
Posted on 06-11-2007 19:09
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Member Location: France Posts: 714 Joined: 22.06.07 |
I have found in the gallery cordilura picipes who has clear wings like mine. May it be that ? |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 06-11-2007 19:15
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
It doesn't really look like any scathophagid I know.
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| guenille |
Posted on 07-11-2007 06:55
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Member Location: France Posts: 714 Joined: 22.06.07 |
hey Kahis, if it is not scathophagid, what else can it be ? |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-11-2007 14:10
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I showed image to Ozerov, - "not Scathophagidae" I think we should ask Theo as next step 
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| guenille |
Posted on 16-11-2008 11:53
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Member Location: France Posts: 714 Joined: 22.06.07 |
Knowledge on this forum is every day better. So, has somebody a new idea about this one ? |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:44
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19244 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Don't know the genus, but couls it be Delina of the Scathophagidae?
Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:53
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Paul, I don't think it may be Scathophagidae - calypteres are too large. Some Muscidae look alike (Phaonia atriceps-group), but I don't think so as well. My ideas are: 1. Vein A seems very long 2. Currently we have Michael Ackland among our members So, 1. I'd change name on Anthomyiidae? and wait for Michael's reaction. 2. If Michael will reply "no", we can make one more "brain storm" Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 16-11-2008 15:43
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18546 Joined: 21.07.04 |
With this wing venation, it is definitely not in my department. Sorry. I'd say it is Anthomyiidae, but then again, what do I know of Anthomyiidae ? Theo |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 17-11-2008 13:23
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
It could be Acyglossa atramentaria Meigen, which has these erect tergal setae. As the name Acyglossa indicates a long glossy proboscis, a photo of the head in profile would help to confirm this. I don't know if this is a male or female, as both have separated eyes, but I suspect it is a female. I only have 2 males in my collection, both caught in France (Dordogne) in 1980. The species does not occur in Britain. Hennig sugggests that it is a parasite of grasshoppers, as another species of Acyglossa (pollinoa Vill.) occurs in southen France and has been bred from them. A. atramentaria is related to Chirosia, and has a posteroventral apical seta on hind tibia (not visible in photo. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 17-11-2008 14:53
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9229 Joined: 24.05.05 |
So, this fly finally found it's expert!
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| guenille |
Posted on 18-11-2008 09:00
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Member Location: France Posts: 714 Joined: 22.06.07 |
I have just an other picture. I think it is the same fly and also thinking this one is a female Last year, I try to catch this fly. Thanks you for this hard job 
guenille attached the following image:  [100.68Kb] Edited by guenille on 18-11-2008 09:05 |
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but don't see the image in the post.