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Let's see if I'm learning, Eristalis tenax?
lynkos
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Posted on 05-11-2005 07:32
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When I came across this Eristalis the other day, the first thing I did (and the only thing as afterwards he disappeared) was to photograph the eyes. If I've understood the explanation of Andre right, that black tuft on the "forehead" should make him Eristalis tenax. How am I doing?

www.naturamediterraneo.com/Public/data2/lynkos/Eristalis_sp_CF2B05-C15-F.jpg_200511313232_Eristalis_sp_CF2B05-C15-F.jpg

Thanks in advance, Sarah
 
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Hi again!

He is a E. tenax for sure. 'He' is also a female.Wink I'm not quite sure what black tuft you are tal?king about. The characteristic vertical hair stripes are not very well visible in this pic. Take a look at

http://www.lesins..._tenax.htm

The 2nd pic (from ventral side) shows the hair pattern quite well, and it is also visible in the head shot as two darker lines crossing the eye.


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Yes, what you rightly call a stripe is what I called a tuft! It is not that visible in this photo, but there were others which I discarded where it could be seen quite clearly. Next question, how do you know he's a she?! Sarah
 
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Like kahis correctly says, it's not the hairs on the fore-head that is used to determine this species. It's the two "thicker" rows of vertically growing hair-bandes on the eyes (in fact, it is where the hairs on the eyes grow more dense than elwewhere on the surface of the eyes).
One of these rows (or bands if you like) shows clearly on this picture.
What we also check is the color of the tarsae of the forelegs. In this picture not visible. If the tarsae are all yellow, we know directly we are dealing with the species Eristalis pertinax. Comes quite handy when other feateres don't show well... Anyway.... this was a sidestep.
How we see if it is a male or a female: in Eristalis the eyes of the males reach eachother, while the females are dichoptic which means the eyes are clearly seperated by a broad part of the forehead (the frons).
Because of the fact that in males the eyes meet on the forehead (above antennae) there is only a small, triangular space left on the head just above the eyes.
There are quite some diptera-families where same features appear as a matter of fact. Just be aware of the exceptions though, 'cause there always are exceptions.... that's nature! Wink
 
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Shock what a lot there is to learn! Thanks so much, I'll know what to look out for next time, Sarah
 
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In humans, the eyes are clearly dichoptic in both sexes! Smile
Usually, ofcourse! Grin
 
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Andre wrote:
In humans, the eyes are clearly dichoptic in both sexes! Smile
Usually, ofcourse! Grin

Shock Cool Sarah
 
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lynkos wrote:
Shock Cool Sarah


Good example!
Shock: Eyes don't touch -> female
Cool: Eyes touch -> male

PfftCool Kahis
Edited by Kahis on 08-11-2005 16:05
 
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That's not fair Kahis! What happens when a woman carries sunglasses? She turns into male? Grin
 
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This is a lesson I'm never going to forget, thanks guys for making me smile! Sarah
 
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