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John Carr
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I am trying to understand Becker's 1912 German language revision of North American Chloropidae. Can "Brustseiten" be translated simply as "pleura" or does the word refer to a specific group of sclerites? Does it include the sternopleura? A couplet with "Sternopleuralfleck gelbrot" leads into another "Brustseiten ganz fleckenlos". Perhaps the Brustseiten are only the anepisternum and anepimeron in modern terminology.
 
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Hello John,

As far as my German goes "brustseiten" is literally "sides of thorax". So yes, pleura and entirely I would think.

But as you point out that is not the case. Maybe he defines it somewhere, but in my experience those old keys might also be constructed completely wrong.

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Hi John, I don't think Becker means a specific group of sclerites. Literally "Brustseiten" are the sides of the thorax - so you are right and it should simply be translated as "pleura".

Eric
 
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Elsewhere in his paper I found the sentence "Brustseiten mit deutlichem schwarzen Sternopleuralfleck." So the sternopleura can be included.
 
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