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Not even the family => Tricogena rubricosa possible
evdb	#1 Posted on 09-12-2019 15:44
Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1157 Joined: 05.12.11	Hi, Center of France (Loiret), nov. 14th 2019 on a dead mouse. Need some help Edited by evdb on 10-12-2019 08:24 Eugene


John Carr	#2 Posted on 09-12-2019 15:56
Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7398 Joined: 22.10.10	Rhinophoridae?


johnes81	#3 Posted on 09-12-2019 16:14
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1903 Joined: 15.10.16	I was thinking the same thing, John. it resembles Trichogena rubricosa with the mid stripe, pale tip of scutellum, wing venation and chaetotaxy. Any other angles? Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.


evdb	#4 Posted on 09-12-2019 17:46
Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1157 Joined: 05.12.11	Thanks to both of you, I did not think about Rhinophoridae because of the gray-yellowish color, but Trichogena rubricosa works very well. Sorry, no different view. Eugene


Zeegers	#5 Posted on 09-12-2019 18:24
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 14210 Joined: 21.07.04	Trichogena is very often mistaken for a Tachinid. Theo


evdb	#6 Posted on 09-12-2019 18:37
Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1157 Joined: 05.12.11	Thank you for comforting me Theo Eugene


Juergen Peters	#7 Posted on 10-12-2019 01:51
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 11187 Joined: 11.09.04	Hi, isn't it Tricogena (without the 'h')? Edited by Juergen Peters on 10-12-2019 01:52 Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


evdb	#8 Posted on 10-12-2019 08:23
Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1157 Joined: 05.12.11	Yes it is ! Edited by evdb on 11-12-2019 08:46 Eugene


johnes81	#9 Posted on 10-12-2019 10:07
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1903 Joined: 15.10.16	Hello everyone, I think that taxonomists prefer the Rondani spelling, which is Tricogena. So you are perfectly fine with that spelling. I think it was originally Tachina rubricosa (I could be wrong). Anyway, the name Tricogena is of taxonomical value only since Rondani didn't discover the species. Thus, i don't see why the spelling Trichogena is not accepted. I use Trichogena rubricosa on my unpublished website and i have no intentions of changing it. I prefer the hairy-cheeked definition as opposed to the evasive cheeked meaning. To each his own. Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.


evdb	#10 Posted on 10-12-2019 10:27
Member Location: France (Loiret) Posts: 1157 Joined: 05.12.11	No problem John, on insect.org we follow Fauna Europaea and INPN who spell Tricogena rubricosa (Meigen, 1824). As you say, to each his one. Thanks again. Eugene


Juergen Peters	#11 Posted on 10-12-2019 23:46
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 11187 Joined: 11.09.04	Hello John, johnes81 wrote: Thus, i don't see why the spelling Trichogena is not accepted. because it makes no sense? It means "generating hairs"... I don't think that the author who introduced the genus name, intended that. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


John Carr	#12 Posted on 11-12-2019 01:03
Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 7398 Joined: 22.10.10	Gena is a Latin word for cheek, also adopted into English language entomology. Typically it means the head below the eye.


Juergen Peters	#13 Posted on 11-12-2019 04:05
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 11187 Joined: 11.09.04	Hmm.. I thought it was derived from "generare" = generate. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


johnes81	#14 Posted on 11-12-2019 07:43
Member Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 1903 Joined: 15.10.16	John Carr wrote: Gena is a Latin word for cheek, also adopted into English language entomology. Typically it means the head below the eye. and it is the origin of jaw, jowl, chew, chin etc. I thought that i had cracked the secrets of old linguists (exciting!) until i discovered an old French book (via Google books) that had some of my rules. Still i was able to understand the methods without external help so that it pretty cool. Juergen, for generare see genus and think of kin, clan etc Best wishes, John John and Nini. Naturalists not experts.

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