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Not even the family => Tricogena rubricosa possible
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Posted on 09-12-2019 16:44
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Hi,

Center of France (Loiret), nov. 14th 2019 on a dead mouse.
Need some help

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Rhinophoridae?
 
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I was thinking the same thing, John.
it resembles Trichogena rubricosa with the mid stripe, pale tip of scutellum, wing venation and chaetotaxy. Any other angles?

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Thanks to both of you, I did not think about Rhinophoridae because of the gray-yellowish color, but Trichogena rubricosa works very well.
Sorry, no different view.
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Trichogena is very often mistaken for a Tachinid.

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Thank you for comforting me Theo Smile
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Hi,

isn't it Tricogena (without the 'h')?
Edited by Juergen Peters on 10-12-2019 02:52
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Yes it is !
Edited by evdb on 11-12-2019 09:46
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Hello everyone,

I think that taxonomists prefer the Rondani spelling, which is Tricogena. So you are perfectly fine with that spelling.

I think it was originally Tachina rubricosa (I could be wrong). Anyway, the name Tricogena is of taxonomical value only since Rondani didn't discover the species. Thus, i don't see why the spelling Trichogena is not accepted. I use Trichogena rubricosa on my unpublished website and i have no intentions of changing it. I prefer the hairy-cheeked definition as opposed to the evasive cheeked meaning.

To each his own.

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No problem John, on insect.org we follow Fauna Europaea and INPN who spell Tricogena rubricosa (Meigen, 1824).
As you say, to each his one.
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Hello John,

johnes81 wrote:
Thus, i don't see why the spelling Trichogena is not accepted.


because it makes no sense? It means "generating hairs"... I don't think that the author who introduced the genus name, intended that.
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Gena is a Latin word for cheek, also adopted into English language entomology. Typically it means the head below the eye.
 
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Hmm.. I thought it was derived from "generare" = generate.
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John Carr wrote:
Gena is a Latin word for cheek, also adopted into English language entomology. Typically it means the head below the eye.


and it is the origin of jaw, jowl, chew, chin etc.

I thought that i had cracked the secrets of old linguists (exciting!) until i discovered an old French book (via Google books) that had some of my rules. Still i was able to understand the methods without external help so that it pretty cool.

Juergen,
for generare see genus and think of kin, clan etc

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