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Juergen Peters	#1 Posted on 29-10-2005 19:38
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14401 Joined: 11.09.04	Hello! These flies with the size of house flies sunbathed on leaves at a woods edge in Ostwestfalen/Germany yesterday. I think, they are Tachinids, but I can't find which genus. Can anybody help me? Thanks! Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


Nikita Vikhrev	#2 Posted on 30-10-2005 07:58
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9552 Joined: 24.05.05	Anyway we wait Theo. Meanwhile I check myself. M not bend to R, than it isn't Tachinida. Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Zeegers	#3 Posted on 30-10-2005 11:21
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19298 Joined: 21.07.04	Right, Nikita ! It is a Muscidae (or Anthomyiidae or Fannidae). So it is not in my league. Good luck ! Theo


Juergen Peters	#4 Posted on 30-10-2005 18:59
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14401 Joined: 11.09.04	Hello! Zeegers wrote: It is a Muscidae (or Anthomyiidae or Fannidae). Thanks Nikita and Theo! So it is another example that not all flies with thick, stiff hairs on the abdomen are Tachinidae... Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


Zeegers	#5 Posted on 30-10-2005 20:01
Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19298 Joined: 21.07.04	And vice versa: not all Tachinidae are very bristly (many exceptions in Phasiinae). Nevertheless, to a Tachinologist's eye your flies are 'just' hairy and not really bristly ! The main point is the bend in vein M: Virtually all Tachinidae have this bend (and virtually all Sarcophagidae and Calliphoridae), and only a very few Muscidae that are easily recognized (Musca, Graphomyia and a few others). Theo


Juergen Peters	#6 Posted on 30-10-2005 20:08
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14401 Joined: 11.09.04	Hello, Theo! Zeegers wrote: The main point is the bend in vein M: Virtually all Tachinidae have this bend (and virtually all Sarcophagidae and Calliphoridae), and only a very few Muscidae that are easily recognized (Musca, Graphomyia and a few others). Yes, I know the importance of the wing venation for identification. I sometimes neglect it, because it is often not well recognizeable on my photos, especially when there are light reflexions on the wings. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


Jan HC Velterop	#7 Posted on 12-01-2010 23:24
Member Location: Enschede NL 7544 ZE 106 Posts: 56 Joined: 08.03.06	I would not be surprised if someone gives Helina evecta as ID. Look at the abdominal squarish spots on T3 + T4. I have also the impression of 4 postsutural DC bristles. Unluckily, the picture is not very clear. Jan HC Velterop


Stephane Lebrun	#8 Posted on 13-01-2010 18:26
Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07	Five years ! I would not be surprised too (though the very similar but rarer H. annosa can't be totally excluded). Stephane.