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 Rhagionidae from greenhouse NL
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 11-10-2019 13:20
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 Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2358 Joined: 13.02.09 |
This fly I caught in a greenhouse in the Netherlands, at Avifauna in Alphen aan de Rijn last Tuesday, and I guess it is an imported species of Chrysopilus? Any ideas, as I don't know the origin of the fly.
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 11-10-2019 13:21
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Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2358 Joined: 13.02.09 |
Lateral view
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 11-10-2019 13:21
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Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2358 Joined: 13.02.09 |
Third picture
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 11-10-2019 13:21
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Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2358 Joined: 13.02.09 |
Antenna
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-10-2019 14:48
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Very interesting indeed !! Antenna suggests male Ch. nubecula, however, I have never seen such a wing pattern in Chrysopilus. Love to see the genitalia. What kind of crops in the greenhouse ? Theo |
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 11-10-2019 21:15
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Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2358 Joined: 13.02.09 |
It was in the part of Avifauna (a bird park), that is called the Lori Landing. There are lots of Swainson’s Lorikeets there, they are from Australia. More important, I do not know where the plants in the greenhouse are from. It looks like a tropical garden to me. However, I found a similar picture of the male of Chrysopilus laetus on the internet, could this be an option? In this seems a good fit as in this species the wing tip is also darkened. This species is recorded for the UK I see.
Best wishes, Niels-Jan Dek |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 12-10-2019 08:38
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Hi Niels-Jan, I will send you an email. It would be useful if you could make a frontal pic of the head, showing the clypeus (the balloony thing in the middle of the face). And we need to study the genitalia. Theo |
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 12-10-2019 10:14
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Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2358 Joined: 13.02.09 |
Here a picture of the clypeus.
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 12-10-2019 10:14
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Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2358 Joined: 13.02.09 |
And one of the genitalia
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 12-10-2019 11:11
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Clypeus excludes nubecula, that is pretty clear ! Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 12-10-2019 12:08
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Wing clearly is pullus, but genitalia clearly is not. Theo |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 12-10-2019 14:32
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 Super Administrator Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 10488 Joined: 22.10.10 |
Wing pattern does not match any North American species in the key by Hardy (1949). |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 12-10-2019 23:51
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 865 Joined: 22.11.11 |
There are several species of Neotropical Chrysopilus which seem very similar: https://www.resea...ew_Species |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 13-10-2019 07:10
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Interesting, thanks ! Theo |
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