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Tipulidae ?
DidierBPN	#1 Posted on 14-09-2019 02:29
Member Location: Thailand Posts: 136 Joined: 14.07.18	Hello, are they Tipulidae, or Limoniidae ??? Didier Informations about the picture : North-East of Thailand 41130 Ban Phon Ngam 17.3633228, 102.9776517 date : 14/09/2019 size : about 10-12 mm DidierBPN attached the following image: [211.73Kb] Edited by DidierBPN on 14-09-2019 02:30


DidierBPN	#2 Posted on 14-09-2019 02:31
Member Location: Thailand Posts: 136 Joined: 14.07.18	another picture : DidierBPN attached the following image: [139.26Kb]


John Carr	#3 Posted on 14-09-2019 09:25
Super Administrator Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 10661 Joined: 22.10.10	They are Limoniidae if you split the families. I don't recognize the genus.


DidierBPN	#4 Posted on 14-09-2019 10:25
Member Location: Thailand Posts: 136 Joined: 14.07.18	The family is a progress ! Thank you very much Didier


jfarr	#5 Posted on 15-02-2020 18:29
Member Location: Posts: 46 Joined: 14.01.20	John Carr wrote: They are Limoniidae if you split the families. I don't recognize the genus. .Isn't the Family Limonidae now being considered under a larger Family Limnophilidae?Or is the subfamily Limnoninae being promoted to cover Limnophilidae,Limonidae etc.


John Carr	#6 Posted on 15-02-2020 20:47
Super Administrator Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 10661 Joined: 22.10.10	jfarr wrote: John Carr wrote: They are Limoniidae if you split the families. I don't recognize the genus. .Isn't the Family Limonidae now being considered under a larger Family Limnophilidae?Or is the subfamily Limnoninae being promoted to cover Limnophilidae,Limonidae etc. This is the order of priority of family group names: Tipulidae dates from 1802 Limoniidae dates from 1840 Limnophilidae dates from 1854 If all the crane flies are in one family that family is called Tipulidae with subfamilies Tipulinae and Limoniinae, and Limoniinae has a tribe Limnophilini. This is the traditional classification by Alexander, except he used the name Hexatomini for the tribe. Hexatomini has priority from 1869 and should not be used for a group that also includes Limnophila. If the families are split there is a family Limoniidae with a subfamily Limnophilinae. I call this the European classification. The problem with splitting the families is the definition of Limoniidae is "everything which is not in one of the other subfamilies". That is an easy enough rule to apply, but goes against modern custom which expects taxonomic names to apply to monophyletic groups.


jfarr	#7 Posted on 18-02-2020 15:38
Member Location: Posts: 46 Joined: 14.01.20	Thank you. You ended a lot of confusion for me.


Dmitry Gavryushin	#8 Posted on 19-02-2020 08:27
Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3348 Joined: 17.10.05	Venational details are poorly visible yet I'd suggest Idiocera (s.str.) While others can't climb, using infinite pains, I, gravity turning to jest, Ascend, with all ease, perpendicular planes, Rough or smooth, just as pleases me best.