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| Carnifex |
Posted on 14-09-2018 19:32
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Hi, my camera just managed to focus on the mirror image, but hope ID is possible nevertheless. Psila fimetaria?   Cheers, Lorin Edited by Carnifex on 19-10-2022 07:19 Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-09-2018 10:33
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Looks quite delicate for Psila, so it might be one of the pale Chamaepsila, but difficult to say without indication of size.
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 19-11-2018 15:27
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1803 Joined: 23.06.15 |
I am now very confident that Paul is right in his opinion that this is a Chamaepsila species. Eye shape, apparently two dc pairs exclude Psila. I have a species list of Chamaepsila for Austria that comprises 16 species. It doesn't include Ch. lutea (is that a valid species?) and I don't have information about the characters of Ch. andreji, so I am left with 3 species having a yellow thorax and abdomen: Ch. obscuritarsis, Ch. pallida & Ch. rufa. I am almost certain I can see two dc pairs (which also excludes Psila), which leaves me with Ch. pallida. Also the third antennal segment is darkened, which is ok for Ch. pallida (according to HENNIG; I don't have new literature). Is anyone with me?  Cheers, Lorin Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Ectemnius |
Posted on 19-11-2018 18:08
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Member Location: The Netherlands Posts: 840 Joined: 22.11.11 |
Hi Carnifex, Besides the extra pair of dorso-centrals Psila lack post-vertical bristles. For a definitive species ID I'd need to know scutellar bristles, how many verticals (vt) are present. The ID looks to be a female C. pallida indeed. To be sure I'd have to examine the specimen... Greetings, Ectemnius |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 30-09-2022 11:14
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1803 Joined: 23.06.15 |
ID by Jocelyn Claude
Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Jocelyn Claude |
Posted on 18-10-2022 14:04
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Hi! My apologies to all, I was completely wrong... It can't be Cha obscuritarsis either! Even if some parts of the images are blurred, there are not two pairs of sc but only one on this specimen. So we are back to the pallida group (the key of Shatalkin & Merz, 2010 applies for this group) : Mesonotum entirely yellow/Subscutellum yellow/Abdominal tergites yellow. Palpus yellow, or narrowly brownish apically/Postpedicel mainly yellow, with a darkened dorsal margin ((not yellow as pallida) + Setae on head and thorax brownish yellow (not yellow light as pallida) => Chamaepsila luteola (Collin, 1944) |
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| Carnifex |
Posted on 19-10-2022 07:20
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Member Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 1803 Joined: 23.06.15 |
adjusted the thread title
Cheers, Lorin Font Color All requests are from the urban area of Vienna, if not otherwise stated. My Diptera observations (and other living forms) can be found here, and corrections or comments over there would also be appreciated. |
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| Jocelyn Claude |
Posted on 21-10-2022 08:36
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Member Location: Posts: 35 Joined: 29.08.22 |
Thanks Carnifex  Bye |
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