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 Nycteribiidae - Penicillidia sp. ?
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 19-08-2007 21:27
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Hi * locality - Alviela (caves) - Alcanena (?) - PORTUGAL * date - 2007.08.18 * size - 4 mm (small fly) * habitat - cave * substrate - calcareous rock Yesterday I went to visit a cave in Alviela with my friend Andr? Van Eck and others persons. We saw many bats, and these flies: Phoridae, Chironomidae, Culicidae, Calliphoridae (the favourite for Meta/Metellina spiders in caves), Medetera spp. (many!), and.... finally the Nycteribiidae!  (sorry, cosmnl Here goes the photo I took. I hope that this photo can show us the possible genus! EDIT---> Title changed from "Nycteribiidae! - bat fly. " to "Nycteribiidae - Penicillidia sp." then "Nycteribiidae - Penicillidia sp. ?" (to confirm..)
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 20-08-2007 07:44
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19011 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Well, 4 mm. is a giant in the Nycteriibidae universe. Again (see Roumanian specimen), I guess it might be Penicillidea. Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 20-08-2007 20:03
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Penicillidia sp. I think. Thanks Theo! Yes, it is a huge fly considering the family! That?s why it was so easy to spot the fly. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-08-2007 10:40
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Theo, do you have the key for Penicillidia genus? we have: P. conspicua Speiser, 1901 P. dufourii (Westwood, 1835) P. pumilla Scott, 1914 (??) |
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| Andre |
Posted on 21-08-2007 13:06
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Hi Jorge. I count these caves to the village of Monsanto Great picture, really! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-08-2007 13:28
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Alives? Monsanto... hmm. I must go there! What did you see more? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 21-08-2007 16:40
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19011 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Oh, I'm just guessing. First let's fix the genus. I think I use the monograph by Rothschild. I'll come back to this Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-08-2007 17:13
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
 ok. It would be great to be sure, at least for genus! very soon I will visit caves again.  |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 14-09-2007 23:12
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
any news about this one, Theo? I can wait, though. No need for hurry. Just to remember. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 15-09-2007 08:24
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19011 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I have a key alright, but I would need to see the specimens. Can't give an ID from the picture. Sorry Theo |
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| Andrew Whittington |
Posted on 15-09-2007 08:45
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 Member Location: Snowdonia Posts: 110 Joined: 30.01.07 |
Whatever it's name, it must be a sure winner for the ugliest fly in the world contest
-----o0o----- Andrew E. Whittington https://flyevidence.co.uk/ |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 15-09-2007 22:23
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
hmmm... I will try to back there to catch more nycteribiids. Thanks. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-01-2009 19:12
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
So... anyone can add any about this nycteribiid? Theo, what I must looking for in this beast? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 05-01-2009 19:39
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19011 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Whether there are ocelli and whether one ocellus has 1 or 2 (really !!) lenses .... So we really need the specimens, I'm afraid, at least I do. Theo |
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