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 Dark winged Syrphid.
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| blowave |
Posted on 16-08-2007 21:01
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I can't find anything like this one anywhere, so no clues from me other than it looks like a Syrphid fly.  It was on a Dahlia flower back where there were black aphids, but I had several diffferent insects lay eggs, predators etc. on the plant, including ants. Lincoln UK 7th July 2007. Any clues?  Might help if I add the pic! blowave attached the following image:  [28.03Kb] Edited by blowave on 16-08-2007 21:02 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 16-08-2007 21:14
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Another Pipiza.
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| blowave |
Posted on 16-08-2007 21:17
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thanks Paul, now off to search Pipiza again, should have recognised the likeness?? |
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| blowave |
Posted on 16-08-2007 21:26
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
How about Pipiza noctiluca? http://aolsearch....e=imageTab |
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| blowave |
Posted on 16-08-2007 22:26
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Not P. noctiluca, that has two teardrop marks near the top of the abdomen. Pipiza austriaca looks right. Agree? http://www.syrphi...20w01.html http://www.syrphi...20m01.html http://www.syrphi...20m01.html |
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| caliprobola |
Posted on 17-08-2007 15:23
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Member Location: Belgium Posts: 203 Joined: 24.05.07 |
Pipiza are extremely difficult to recognize, even with specimen. maybe Pipiza lugubris, it's the most common species in W-Belgium and it has clear dark markings on the wings. but without seeing legs, antennae,... clearly... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 17-08-2007 16:01
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thanks caliprobola, that is what I needed to know. It seems they are both present here. http://www.dipter...t?id=11275 http://www.dipter...t?id=11283 This site has 4 pages of preferred and no-preferred names, sigh. http://www.dipter...mit=Search |
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| blowave |
Posted on 17-08-2007 16:09
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Now I find that P. lugubris is the non-preferred name for P. austriaca http://www.dipter...t?id=11276 That is encouraging! I can eliminate some, as I already have done, and see what is left.  |
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| blowave |
Posted on 17-08-2007 16:13
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Ah, but now I also find P. lugubris is a separate species also and is just a synonym for P. austriaca http://www.dipter...t?id=11283  |
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| caliprobola |
Posted on 17-08-2007 17:06
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Member Location: Belgium Posts: 203 Joined: 24.05.07 |
well, systematics in the genus Pipiza isn't very clear yet (not to say not clear at all...). but as far as i know P. austriaca & P. lugubris are treated seperate in most determination keys (all dutch & belgian keys, including the recent Van Veen book) i have. |
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