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 Eginia ocypterata, Brachycera, Hungary, May 2007
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| Xespok |
Posted on 30-06-2007 07:14
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Anthomyiidae or Heleomyzidae???
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| Xespok |
Posted on 30-06-2007 07:15
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Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Because of bristly legs, I tend to go for Anthomyiidae. But than it should be rather distinctive.
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 30-06-2007 07:56
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
No Heleomyzidae. 
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 30-06-2007 08:04
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9430 Joined: 24.05.05 |
My impression is rather Muscidae, Coenosinae than Anthomyiidae
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 30-06-2007 15:25
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7282 Joined: 19.11.04 |
The jizz is not quite right for Coenosiinae, and the anal vein clearly goes all the way to the wing margin, so I'd go with Anthomyiidae. The brown wing margin and general colouration may enable someone (not me!  ) to put this in a genus at least... Kahis?
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| Kahis |
Posted on 30-06-2007 16:15
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
My vote goes to Anthomyiidae. Further than that, please do not ask? 
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| Xespok |
Posted on 30-06-2007 20:34
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Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Also if I see costa with developed spines, than it usually ends up being either a Heleomyzid or an Anthomyiid. Because the thoracic suture is not very visible, I did not dare to put this fly as an Anthomyiid. Is the spinulose costa a good indicator of Anthomyiidae, or one should not use this character at all. If I remember correctly I should have this specimen. Thx to all of you for the help. Edited by Xespok on 30-06-2007 20:35 Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| Kahis |
Posted on 30-06-2007 21:16
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Xespok wrote: Also if I see costa with developed spines, than it usually ends up being either a Heleomyzid or an Anthomyiid. Because the thoracic suture is not very visible, I did not dare to put this fly as an Anthomyiid. Is the spinulose costa a good indicator of Anthomyiidae, or one should not use this character at all. It is not a good character for Anthomyiidae. If you look at the photographs of heleomyzids, you'll see that the costal spines in that family have a different character: they are widely spaced and of equal length. Kahis |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 27-07-2007 22:26
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9430 Joined: 24.05.05 |
It seems that you are right, Gabor. At least everything I can see on your images fits OK with specimen I have. If I remember correctly I should have this specimen Please, check the group of 3-6 rather strong bristles in marked area just under posterior spiracle! Nikita Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [55.84Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 07-01-2008 16:17
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Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
I received Michael Auckland s opinion in thid fly. He thinks this is unlikely an Anthomyiid. He thinks this is a Coenosiine Muscid. Maybe around C. tricolor? Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-01-2008 17:27
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9430 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I think it is Eginia ocypterata
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 08-01-2008 00:21
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
You're doubting Gabor ? Look at Black's pictures and look at your fly ! And the sole Coenosia with costa ending at R4+5 apex is C. agromyzina which is quite different. 
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| Xespok |
Posted on 11-01-2008 20:11
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Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
OK, I am convinced now. THx for everyone!
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