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 Neoepitriptus inconstans from Marvão - PORTUGAL
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:48
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Antiphrisson trifarius (?) from Marvão (Edit: not Antiphrisson: Edit: neither Engelopogon) Final August 2014 Neoepitriptus inconstans jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [144.52Kb] Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 06-12-2019 19:37 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:54
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
and the key... can someone confirm if is this trifarius?
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 07-09-2014 11:59
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
description... I only barely know German... can anybody help in this? 
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 08-09-2014 14:24
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I'm afraid it is not an Antphrisson species....because this creature has setae on the hind edges of the abdominal segments. Engel refers to Machimus aberrans as similar to Antiphrisson but with setae. A. trifarius in its normal form would have black setae in the lower part of the mystax. Your fly has another strong character which rules out M aberrans, it has setae on the underside of femur 1! This creature should be identifiable when we know the genus. It is puzzling me?????? Could you add pictures of the wings? Edited by Quaedfliegh on 08-09-2014 14:26 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 08-09-2014 21:05
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 11-09-2014 22:59
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
any ideas? |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 12-09-2014 17:35
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Jorge, you can make better photos from the wings! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 12-09-2014 18:22
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I know, but i am in Lisbon and specimen and machine in Viseu |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 12-09-2014 21:16
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
As i think now that it is an Engelepogon (Acanthopleura) species i would rather like to see a picture of the mesopleuron. It is not brunnipes because the first two segments of the antennae should be "yellow". From Spain also E. collarti and naxia are known according to Tolrá Anderson 2002
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 13-09-2014 00:03
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I will take photos tomorrow. you mean... Acanthopleura Engel, 1927?? When was it synonymized? Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 13-09-2014 09:06 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 13-09-2014 14:10
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
The genus was renamed by Lehr in 1992. (maybe has to do with the fact the name is in use for a genus of chitons in the family Chitonidae) Your fly is Engelepogon collarti! Description by Bequaert fits very good. One distinguishing character are the bristles on the underside of the front femora. Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 13-09-2014 14:36
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Thanks!
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 03-06-2015 22:36
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Forgot about this one : ( I was wrong. Engelepogon (Acanthopleura) should have strong bristles on the mesopleuron they are not there, or at least i can't see them. Wishful thinking on my side and my apologies for that. Please add a cf
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 05-12-2019 23:46
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Mystery solved: Neoepitriptus inconstans  Type specimen from Portugal, but very common and widespread species over most of the Iberian Peninsula. Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 05-12-2019 23:49 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 05-12-2019 23:53
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| jonas |
Posted on 06-12-2019 14:15
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Member Location: Posts: 351 Joined: 06.05.07 |
Oh man! You two are the best! I have been my head on a similar specimen for months now! Great! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 06-12-2019 19:34
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
ahaha! Comin' from the oblivion of the time! Since 2014!!! WOW! I want the Engel's head beheaded.. but ohhh... wait!!! Thanks to both! There are still jewels to be uncovered soon  ps i laughed so hard with the WWW of the Reinoud.. man... so hard! come on.. it is not your address that you should put over there! Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 06-12-2019 19:36 |
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