Diptera.info :: Family forums :: Asilidae Forum
Who is here? 1 guest(s)
 Unknown Asilidae from Croatia => Ancylorhynchus glaucius (male)
|
|
| Martin Prievalsky |
Posted on 21-07-2014 13:02
|
|
Member Location: Posts: 14 Joined: 18.03.12 |
Hi, I found this fly on 14. July 2014 on island Rab (Croatia).   Other species in biotop: palpares libelluloides, argiope lobata, oedaleus decorus... Martin Prievalsky attached the following image:  [176.58Kb] Edited by Martin Prievalsky on 27-07-2014 15:39 Greetings, Martin |
|
|
|
| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 21-07-2014 17:39
|
 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Ancylorhynchus sp. I will try later if it is possible to get to species level.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
 |
|
| ValerioW |
Posted on 21-07-2014 19:38
|
 Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
It seems to match with descriptions from O. Theodor about A. glaucius male |
|
|
|
| ValerioW |
Posted on 21-07-2014 19:41
|
|
Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
P.S.: just to signal that in croatian checklist there's no Ancylorhynchus spp. , butA. glaucius is the only one present in countries surrounding Croatia. I think that Ancylorhynchus cingulatus male is reliable. |
|
|
|
| Martin Prievalsky |
Posted on 25-07-2014 18:06
|
|
Member Location: Posts: 14 Joined: 18.03.12 |
Thank you both! ValerioW wrote: I think that Ancylorhynchus cingulatus male is reliable. Should I keep there a "cf" or there are no very similar species? By the way, I didn´t find much information about ancylorhynchus spp. on internet, do you know some other good websites or good literature for asilids? greetings, Martin |
|
|
|
| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:08
|
|
Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I think Valerio meant to say A. glaucius. A cingulatus is only known from Italy. Description of your fly fits A. glaucius. I would add a cf for i do not know what the current state of the genus is at the moment and if all species of eastern Europe are known. (Just lack of local experience)
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
|
|
|
| ValerioW |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:16
|
|
Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
Quaedfliegh wrote: I think Valerio meant to say A. glaucius. A cingulatus is only known from Italy. Description of your fly fits A. glaucius. I would add a cf for i do not know what the current state of the genus is at the moment and if all species of eastern Europe are known. (Just lack of local experience) Yes, glaucius. Dunno why I did typo cingulatus, sorry!  Descriptions about glaucius male are perfect for this fly. About robberflies I think that also other genera are still incomplete, and bet that will appear new species, as soon as some decent deep studies will be made
Edited by ValerioW on 25-07-2014 20:36 |
|
|
|
| ValerioW |
Posted on 25-07-2014 20:21
|
|
Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
ValerioW wrote: It seems to match with descriptions from O. Theodor about A. glaucius male This was my ID  |
|
|
|
| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 25-07-2014 22:29
|
|
Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I'd seen that. ; )
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
|
|
|
| Martin Prievalsky |
Posted on 26-07-2014 16:13
|
|
Member Location: Posts: 14 Joined: 18.03.12 |
Ok I´ve seen that you wrote A.glaucius, but the last one was cingulatus, so I wasn´t sure of course I will correct it... Edited by Martin Prievalsky on 26-07-2014 16:15 Greetings, Martin |
|
|
|
| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 26-07-2014 18:34
|
 Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
Reinoud, this is a perfect A. glaucius (male) -- no need for the 'cf.' This is the type species of the large genus Ancylorhynchus (most species are found in Africa). Martin, please add your beautiful image to the Diptera Gallery when you get the chance. Thanks, Eric. |
|
|
|
| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 26-07-2014 21:17
|
|
Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Thank you Eric! Can you tell me wher i can find a more recent key to this genus? I have some Spanish specimens. (male ande female that are similar yet different collected on the same day and place. (sexual dimorphism?)
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
|
|
|
| ValerioW |
Posted on 26-07-2014 21:25
|
|
Member Location: Padova - Italy Posts: 982 Joined: 01.06.12 |
Quaedfliegh wrote: Thank you Eric! Can you tell me wher i can find a more recent key to this genus? I have some Spanish specimens. (male ande female that are similar yet different collected on the same day and place. (sexual dimorphism?) A. glaucius has relevant sexual dimorphism (legs, for example have different colours). |
|
|
|
| Eric Fisher |
Posted on 27-07-2014 00:30
|
|
Member Location: California Posts: 435 Joined: 19.05.06 |
Reinoud, There is a recent revision of the genus in tropical Africa (Londt, 2011 - A review of Afrotropical Ancylorhynchus...African Invertebrates 52: 471-556). The Palaearctic spp. must need revision; I don't know of any complete keys since Engel, 1930. My identification of A. glaucius was made by comparing specimens determined by M. Hradsky I have with the photo. I only have males, so can't describe the sexual dimorphism in the species, but there must be some. Cheers, Eric |
|
|
|
| Martin Prievalsky |
Posted on 27-07-2014 15:41
|
|
Member Location: Posts: 14 Joined: 18.03.12 |
Thank you Eric, I will send the image to the gallery.
Greetings, Martin |
|
|
|
| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 28-07-2014 01:04
|
|
Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Thank you Eric for the extra info, Valerio for your remarks and last but not least Martin for sharing these wonderful pictures! With Engel my Spanish specimens key out to A. limbatus. The description doesn't fit too wel though. Differences between m and f are numerous. Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
|
|
|
| Jump to Forum: |
but don't see the image in the post.