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 Sarapogon or Saropogon from Crete
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 25-07-2013 19:45
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Dear friends, I collected last year on may 9th near Vai on Crete, much more to the east was impossible, 2 males Sarapogon or Saropogon ( I see that both names are used in pretty modern papers, so I would like to know which one in the correct one). I cannot determine which species with Theodor 1980 nor with Lindner. Just look at the beard: it has both white and black hairs or bristles. Is there someone in the group, who can say what species it is? rvanderweele attached the following image:  [130.99Kb] ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 25-07-2013 19:48
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
and pic 2
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 25-07-2013 21:55
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I understand that the correct name is actually Saropogon
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 25-07-2013 23:55
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2225 Joined: 18.05.10 |
We need more pictures from more angles with more light  The beard is basicly white, the dark hair you from above are the hairs on the palpi. S. jugulum remains a candidate.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 05:23
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
ah, now we come somewhere. I make this evening another photo of the beard. The beard contains several black hairs; they are certainly not from the palpi. But you will see later, Reinoud.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 16:43
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I hope the beard is now visible. Black and white hairs, I think (!) too many black hairs to say that the beard is basically white.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 16:46
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
another try
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:37
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2225 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Could you also make pictures of Thorax, back of the head and legs?  There are many species similar.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:38
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
thorax lateral or dorsal??
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:49
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I made some more photos. I hope useful!
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:49
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:50
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
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rvanderweele attached the following image:  [159.32Kb] ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 19:50
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
and finally
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 26-07-2013 22:21
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2225 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I wish i could tell you more. But Engel, E.O. 1930 brings me Saropogon cf eucerus. Description fits but not perfectly.
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 22:34
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I checked also before in Theodor and Lindner, but indeed without any real result. As you see both specimens have a very similar beard with practically the same number of black and white hairs.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 26-07-2013 22:55
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2225 Joined: 18.05.10 |
BTW: You are right about the beard. Engel: die groben Borsten des beim ♂ meist schwarzen, beim ♀ stets hellgelben Knebelbartes sind in einer Reihe über dem Mundrand angeordnet. and "Abdomen beim ♂ bläulich schwarz mit sehr schmalen elfenbeinweißen Hinterrändern am 2. und 3. Tergit Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 26-07-2013 23:03
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I noticed via Fauna Europaea that S. eucerus is recorded from mainland Greece, but not from Crete before. Well, if we assume the 2 specimens are actually S. eucerus, then it is hardly a surprise that it was collected on the island.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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