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 Two Syrphidae (hope this time with images)
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 31-07-2005 10:20
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Moscow region, end july 
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 31-07-2005 12:47
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9510 Joined: 24.05.05 |
P.S. As far as I find, the second one looks much like Cheilosia pagana.
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 31-07-2005 13:06
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I think the first one is Melanostoma mellinum, a male. The second is something near Chalcosyrphus (nemorum?), or maybe Xylota (abiens?).
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 31-07-2005 13:17
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9510 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you Paul. As for first one I suspected Melanostoma mellinum. As for second one there isn't such genus in my book. Paul, one question. I tried to order first 3 books from your bibliography list via my friend in US, he didn't find its. In which i-net european bookstore I can order its, please? Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 31-07-2005 13:34
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
You can try http://www.pemboo...mon.co.uk/. The Dutch checklist can be ordered for less on http://www.knnvui...ndexUK.htm, but if you order three books from one bookshop it may be to your advantage in respect to shipping costs (once in stead of twice).
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 31-07-2005 13:49
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9510 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you.
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| Gisela Merkel-Wallner |
Posted on 31-07-2005 17:19
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Member Location: Germany, Bavaria, Oberpfalz Posts: 47 Joined: 05.07.05 |
Hello to all, I had a look in my collection with Xylota abiens and Chalcosyrphus nemorum. I think, the picture shows X. abiens, because of the white parts of the tarsae, as the specimen of my collection. My C. nemorum specimen have black tarsae. Greetings Gisela Merkel-Wallner |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 31-07-2005 23:13
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9510 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you Gisela.
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2005 10:03
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19224 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Interesting, but are you sure it is not vice versa ? The colourplate in Stubbs & Falk demonstrate yellow tarsi in nemorum and complete black tarsi in abiens. Anyway, the short abdomen and the very small amount of yellow on the hind tibia suggest nemorum rather than abiens. But then again, it is difficult to tell for the picture Theo Zeegers |
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| Gisela Merkel-Wallner |
Posted on 01-08-2005 10:19
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Member Location: Germany, Bavaria, Oberpfalz Posts: 47 Joined: 05.07.05 |
Dear Theo Zeegers, you may be right. I found some pictures of X. abiens with white tarsae on this site: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cyrille.dussaix/Xylota_abiens/X.abiens.htm I think, I have to check my collection once again. Gisela Merkel-Wallner |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2005 20:54
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19224 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Dear Gisela, The fotos on your website are, based on my criteria for Xylota on pictures, indeed not X. nemorum. The abdomen is too long and there seems to be too much yellow on the base of tibiae 3. So, the identification of the specimens in your collection might be perfectly right. Maybe the colouration of the tarsi is just very variable. Which would, however, be quite curious, since it is rather constant in the larger Xylota-species, like meigeniana en coeruleiventris. But then again, I am not a real expert, maybe Menno (?) can help Theo |
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