Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Muscidae?, N Spain --> Helina impuncta
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-09-2012 18:48
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Taken near beech forest on September the 23rd 2012. As usual, I am not sure of the family  Any help with family, genus or species will be most appreciated! Thanks!!
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-09-2012 18:49
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Another view.
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-09-2012 18:50
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
A detail of the hind leg, that cannot be seen in the other pictures.
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-09-2012 18:52
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
And a detail of the face and mid-leg, just in case 
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| Jorge |
Posted on 27-09-2012 19:40
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 Member Location: Barcelona Posts: 120 Joined: 19.12.11 |
Hola Piluca! A juzgar por la vena anal parece Anthomyiidae. Por cierto, las fotos son tuyas? Son muy buenas! Un saludo!
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-09-2012 19:44
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Hola, Jorge! Me alegro de que te gusten las fotos Poco a poco voy mejorando Hi, Jorge! Glad you like the pictures. I am slowly improving The anal vein always deceives my eye so I am always making mistakes  That is why I always ask here Hope you are well BestPiluca PD: And thanks!! Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 28-09-2012 18:53 |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 27-09-2012 22:41
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9563 Joined: 24.05.05 |
But it is Muscidae, Helina
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 28-09-2012 13:14
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Thanks a lot, Nikita!! I don't know what is worse, if an impossible Anthomyiidae or an impossible Helina Any hint of a possible ´cf. species'? |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 28-09-2012 14:46
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
A good character to look for when deciding Anthomyiidae/Muscidae is the presence or absence of a small basal ventral setula on hind tarsomere 3; it is absent in photo 3 =Muscidae. Also I know of no European Anthomyiidae species with yellow legs and infuscated wing crossveins. Present only in some species of Anthomyia belong to the liturata group and they have darker legs. Not visible in the photos, but the lower calypter should be projecting for Muscidae |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 28-09-2012 17:55
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Helina impuncta.
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 28-09-2012 18:55
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Thank you sooooo much, Stephane!!  I finally found my Helina impuncta Michael Ackland wrote: A good character to look for when deciding Anthomyiidae/Muscidae is the presence or absence of a small basal ventral setula on hind tarsomere 3; it is absent in photo 3 =Muscidae. Also I know of no European Anthomyiidae species with yellow legs and infuscated wing crossveins. Present only in some species of Anthomyia belong to the liturata group and they have darker legs. Not visible in the photos, but the lower calypter should be projecting for Muscidae Michael, thank you so much for the hints Very useful |
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