Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Tachinidae (Sicily) -> Phyto cf. adolescens
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| Michael Becker |
Posted on 08-12-2011 05:05
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Member Location: Germany, Neuss Posts: 1268 Joined: 16.01.07 |
Hello, this ~8mm tachinid is from last april from the mountains in the interior Sicily. Does anyone know what it is? Thanks, Michael Michael Becker attached the following image:  [79Kb] Edited by Michael Becker on 11-12-2011 21:39 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 08-12-2011 10:51
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Wow - something very nice, I think  Do you have any other angles? The petiole is confusing me because it doesn't look right for the rest of the fly - so it must be something I am unaware of
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| sd |
Posted on 08-12-2011 12:56
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Member Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 893 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Estheria maybe? Steve |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 08-12-2011 14:26
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Eyes look too big to me, for any Estheria (etc) ... and the shape suggests something like Meigenia or Macquartia, but I don't think it is either of those
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| Michael Becker |
Posted on 08-12-2011 16:47
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Member Location: Germany, Neuss Posts: 1268 Joined: 16.01.07 |
Hello, I have two other pictures from slightly different perspectives. Here more from the side.... Michael Becker attached the following image:  [101.34Kb] |
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| Michael Becker |
Posted on 08-12-2011 16:49
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Member Location: Germany, Neuss Posts: 1268 Joined: 16.01.07 |
... an here a very very little bit more from above. But I am afraid I don't have a better view on the petiole. Michael Michael Becker attached the following image:  [80.04Kb] |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 08-12-2011 18:37
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Nice photos - but one for Theo, I think
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 08-12-2011 19:47
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I think we are dealing with a Rhinophoridae : the calypters are not adjacent to the lateral margin of scutellum. A Phyto maybe.
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 09-12-2011 17:23
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Yes, it is a Phyto. Could have fooled me ! Theo |
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| Michael Becker |
Posted on 09-12-2011 18:24
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Member Location: Germany, Neuss Posts: 1268 Joined: 16.01.07 |
Thank you for the answers. According to the Fauna europaea there is only one Phyto species known from Sicily: Phyto adolescens. Could it be this species, or are there characteristics which suggest that it is something different? Michael |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 10-12-2011 11:54
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I will look in to it. It is surely NOT Ph. melanocephala. Theol |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 10-12-2011 12:24
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Strange fly ... the standing-out calypters should have been a good pointer to rhinophoridae but the general shape is so uncharacteristic 
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 10-12-2011 15:34
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I checked: It is consistent with Phyto adolescens Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 10-12-2011 21:05
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
CORRECTION I meant to say it is consistent with Ph. discrepans, as far as I can tel. By no means a positive ID, though (do not work when you are sick !) Theo |
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| Michael Becker |
Posted on 11-12-2011 06:57
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Member Location: Germany, Neuss Posts: 1268 Joined: 16.01.07 |
Thank you for your effort Theo. I will labe the photos Phyto cf. discrepans. Do you think it is certain enough for the gallery in which this species still is absent? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-12-2011 16:51
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
So, I finally could reach out to a book, to look for an easy distinction between discrepans and adolescens. Discrepans does not have marginal bristles on syntergite 1&2, adolescens does. And yours clearly does. So, it is not discrepans. I don't have adolescens in my collection, that is why I cannot compare it. So please change into Ph. cf. adolescens. Theo |
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| Michael Becker |
Posted on 11-12-2011 21:42
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Member Location: Germany, Neuss Posts: 1268 Joined: 16.01.07 |
Thank you very much again. To me Phyto adolescens now seems rather certain. In my photo collection I will skip the cf.. Michael |
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