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 New and nice family - Celyphidae
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 15-11-2006 13:09
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thailand, Pattaya, 3-4mm, 15 Nov. Enlarged scutellum serve for this fly as forewings for Coleoptera. Andrey Ozerov thinks that 99% - genus Celyphus. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [51.11Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 15-11-2006 14:17
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 Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3338 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Nice critter! Please compare with Celyphus koannanius @ http://www.tspes....fu/822.htm |
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| Dmitry Gavryushin |
Posted on 15-11-2006 14:40
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Member Location: Moscow region, Russia Posts: 3338 Joined: 17.10.05 |
A revision of the Celyphidae (Diptera) of the Oriental region (Hawaii Agricultural Experiment Station. Journal series), by JoAnn M. Tenorio, 453 pp., 1972, ASIN B0007BEDNC. A revision of the Celyphidae (Diptera) from the Philippine Islands (Hawaii Agricultural Experiment Station. Journal series), by JoAnn M. Tenorio, 611 pp., 1969. Edited by Dmitry Gavryushin on 15-11-2006 14:46 |
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| Steve Gaimari |
Posted on 15-11-2006 16:25
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 Member Location: Sacramento, California, USA Posts: 169 Joined: 08.10.04 |
Definitely in the genus Spaniocelyphus, which is widespread in that region. The species is impossible to identify by a photograph, unless the photograph is of the dissected male genitalia!  Steve Gaimari |
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| Stephen |
Posted on 15-11-2006 18:15
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 Member Location: West Virginia USA Posts: 1322 Joined: 12.04.05 |
What a fantastic beetle-like fly! Your trip to Thailand is really going to pay off I think!
--Stephen Stephen Cresswell www.americaninsects.net |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-11-2006 01:00
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
can you talk about the fligth of this peculiar fly? It seems so Unreal!!! |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 16-11-2006 16:01
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
1. Thank you Steve. Could you tell me, how to distinguish Celyphus from Spaniocelyphys? 2. Dima & Stephen - thanx. 3. Jorge, this fly do flight. In the net they look like beetles, but act as true flies. Difficult to pin, solid as beetles (both scutellum and scuttum). If you pin it correct (not in large scutellum) it is rather easy to relise wings from under-scutellum. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 17-11-2006 10:40
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
How this fly fly?
Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [55.39Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Steve Gaimari |
Posted on 17-11-2006 16:26
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Member Location: Sacramento, California, USA Posts: 169 Joined: 08.10.04 |
To tell Spaniocelyphus (and Acelyphus) from Celyphus, you'd look at the form of the scutellum. Take a look at my avatar - that's Celyphus - the scutellum is much more convex, and more or less as long as wide. Spaniocelyphus (and Acelyphus) also have a relatively sharpened vertex, while in Celyphus it is gently rounded over the back of the head. As for their flight - they aren't terribly good fliers!  As for the photo of the pinned specimen - it is funny, the several characters need to differentiate Spaniocelyphus from Acelyphus are not clearly visible! (it is one of these though, assuming it is from Southeast Asia and not Africa). There is a wing crossvein (bm-cu) that looks like it is absent in the photo (but I can't be quite sure), which would make it Acelyphus - if that is the case, the palpi should be spatulate, not cylindrical. If I could see the top of the abdomen, there is a tell-tale character - in Spaniocelyphus, the tergites have two distinct dorso-lateral longitudinal sutures, clearly dividing them into a central flat plate and two lateral plates. Once you've seen it once, it is plain as day! Steve |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 18-11-2006 11:55
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Reminds me of a fly I fished out of a Malaysian Malaise trap catch a few years ago, which Peter Chandler said was Celyphidae. Looks very similar to Steve's avatar too - extremely large scutellum and a deep violet/blue ... wonderful creatures to test people's knowledge of insect orders |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 19-11-2006 16:06
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Thank you Steve, hope to understand better your explanations in Moscow. One more species... Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [43.97Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Steve Gaimari |
Posted on 22-11-2006 18:04
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Member Location: Sacramento, California, USA Posts: 169 Joined: 08.10.04 |
Nice photo! Definitely Spaniocelyphus - you can see the longitudinal suture along the abdominal segments relatively clearly. I would not surmise to put a species name on this, not seeing the dissected genitalia, and not knowing where it is from! But it is somewhat reminescent of Spaniocelyphus levis (van der Wulp), with the entirely smooth scutellum, the completely dark mesonotum (no yellowish anteriorly), and general coloration - but the same can be said for other species as well! Cheers, Steve. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 23-11-2006 07:49
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
1. Thank you Steve. 2. Khoa-Khitchikut NP, 19 Nov, forest edge, 30-50% biger than previos species (and Andrey Ozerov collected in same place and date 3 specimens of realy large 3-d Celyphidae - 6-8mm, blackish-blue). Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 17-01-2009 22:47
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
N1 and N2 Spaniocelyphus palmi Frey |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 17-01-2009 23:14
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
N3 Spaniocelyphus nigrocoeruleus Malloch |
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