Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Drosophilidae - Drosophila cf funebris
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| hedy2411 |
Posted on 11-10-2011 20:50
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 Member Location: Zeist, Holland Posts: 5242 Joined: 20.11.09 |
Who knows the name of this small fly...? Found today in Zeist, Holland hedy2411 attached the following image:  [46.54Kb] Edited by hedy2411 on 14-10-2011 17:15 |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 12-10-2011 15:49
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Perhaps Drosophila funebris.
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| hedy2411 |
Posted on 14-10-2011 10:46
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Member Location: Zeist, Holland Posts: 5242 Joined: 20.11.09 |
Hello Paul, From internet I see this picture which is almost the same as this fly. It is said to be Drosophila simulans. http://www.lucasbrouwers.nl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/drosophila_rt_9c9_rs.jpg Is it possible...? Regards, Hedy |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 14-10-2011 11:25
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
The picture certainly cannot determine between D. simulans and D. melanogaster.
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| hedy2411 |
Posted on 14-10-2011 17:15
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Member Location: Zeist, Holland Posts: 5242 Joined: 20.11.09 |
Great, then we may stick to Drosophila cf funebris... It is the first picture on the specieslist, nice. Thanks for your reaction!! Regards, Hedy Edited by hedy2411 on 14-10-2011 17:20 |
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| djo |
Posted on 17-10-2011 20:35
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Member Location: Edinburgh, UK Posts: 192 Joined: 16.05.11 |
I don't think funebris. (not brown enough, black marks on tergites too triangular). But I really don't think Dmel or Dsim either (too 'square', blocky, triangular shading on tergites, and the dorsocentrals are too far back, plus the shaded cross-vein is wrong). I might guess immigrans (and the clouded cross-veins might support this) but there is not enough shading where the long veins meet the wing tips. Without a key to hand, I might guess D. histrio. Howver! This website clearly indicates that Paul knows Drosophila much better than I. Paul, can I ask what leeds you to funebris? and why not dismiss Dsim out of hand? Thanks |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 18-10-2011 16:53
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
D. funebris was my first thought. My reply about similans was more a reply in the sense that melanogaster and simulans cannot be separated based on the above image, so as an alternative both species are just as plausible. I have been looking at some other images of drosophilids earlier this week and I think your suggestion on immigrans is not half that bad. Unfortunately, the markings at the tips of the longitudinal veins are not discernable.
Edited by Paul Beuk on 18-10-2011 16:54 Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| hedy2411 |
Posted on 18-10-2011 21:07
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Member Location: Zeist, Holland Posts: 5242 Joined: 20.11.09 |
Paul. can you make clear to me with a sign in the picture or in a drawing what point you are looking for as I have some more pictures. Regards, Hedy |
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| djo |
Posted on 19-10-2011 16:01
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Member Location: Edinburgh, UK Posts: 192 Joined: 16.05.11 |
I really think the colour and banding are wrong for D funebris (below) For D immigrans, the joints between the long wing veins and the costa (near the wing tip) are usually shaded. A good dorsal view with no reflection would show this. Ultimate proof of Dimm would be provided by a closeup view of the ventral surface of the forefemur which should have ~12 short conical 'peg-like' spikes/bristles/projections. The more I look though, the more I think the position of the dorsocentral bristles supports D. immigrans. (D. immigrans, below)  A dorsal view of the abdomen (without the wings in the way) would rule out Dmel or Dsim. |
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