Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Anthomyiidae Delia?> Paregle audacula
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| blowave |
Posted on 23-07-2011 20:04
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Hi, This looks similar to Delia platura but the hind femur has too many ventral bristles I think. Taken on 11th June in my garden, near Lincoln UK. Janet blowave attached the following image:  [89.42Kb] Edited by blowave on 25-07-2011 15:03 http://cubits.org... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 23-07-2011 20:05
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 23-07-2011 20:05
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| blowave |
Posted on 23-07-2011 20:06
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crop from #3
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| blowave |
Posted on 23-07-2011 20:06
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| blowave |
Posted on 23-07-2011 20:07
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 23-07-2011 21:11
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
You are right that it's not D. platura, but I can't see clearly enough to use the key with any confidence. I don't think I'd rule out Botanophila. |
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| blowave |
Posted on 23-07-2011 22:04
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thanks Stephen, I can crop closer on some parts of the top view if you need to see that, or lighten any parts. I thought the long hairs under the abdomen might be a clue? The mouth protrudes a lot too.. Edited by blowave on 23-07-2011 22:05 http://cubits.org... |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 24-07-2011 00:00
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Perhaps when Michael comes round ... The hairy sternites probably would be a clue to someone who knew what they were doing  |
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| blowave |
Posted on 24-07-2011 00:24
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
If Michael comes around! 
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 24-07-2011 11:11
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Now that we've established we,re in wild guess territory, how about Paregle audacula? |
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| blowave |
Posted on 24-07-2011 14:53
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Stephen R wrote: Now that we've established we,re in wild guess territory, how about Paregle audacula? From looking at the one photo in the gallery it very well could be, but it's not close enough to see the details well. How does it key out? Maybe I should PM Michael with a link to this thread in case it gets lost. http://cubits.org... |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 24-07-2011 17:16
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Have you got Michael's key? http://tachinidae.../antho.php If you work backwards from couplet 36 in the genera key you will see what it would need to have It would also need extra hairs in the notopleural depression and a median av seta on t2, neither of which are clear in the photos. |
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| blowave |
Posted on 24-07-2011 17:41
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thanks for the link Stephen, I didn't know it was available there! I've downloaded it and sent an email asking for a password. I also sent a PM to Michael here. I'll see if I can look at the areas you mentioned. 
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| blowave |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:40
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I've cropped off the part which might show the extra small hairs in the notopleural depression, what say ye? This is the photo I cropped the mid and hind legs from but didn't post the rest of it. I have lightened and sharpened it to help.
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| blowave |
Posted on 24-07-2011 21:50
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I don't know if this shows an av seta on T2, the lower of the two marked might be it? The other looks to be anterior.
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 25-07-2011 11:13
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Looks possible on both counts. Yes, the higher of the two setae you have marked is anterodorsal. |
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| blowave |
Posted on 25-07-2011 13:23
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thanks Stephen, I think you hit the nail on the head. 
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