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 Chrysogaster for ID, C Spain
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 07-06-2011 20:52
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
I thought I was shooting an Ulidia when I took the picture, but once at home I realised the venation doens't match. Can it be a Syrphid? Cheilosia, perhaps? I am puzzled. Thanks in advance for any help. Taken in the mountains of Madrid on the 21rst may 2011. Piluca_Alvarez attached the following image:  [122.96Kb] Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 08-06-2011 21:07 |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 07-06-2011 20:54
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
A dorsal view.
Piluca_Alvarez attached the following image:  [160.88Kb] |
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| Sara21392 |
Posted on 07-06-2011 21:17
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No I think it's not a Syrphidae. 
Sincerely yours Sara |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 07-06-2011 21:29
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3917 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Looks like a female of Chrysogaster (Syrphidae). However, the only species I know, C. solstitialis, has darkened wings. So we need the help of Syrphid experts. |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 08-06-2011 21:06
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Thanks a lot to you both for your input! Lets wait for the experts now! |
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| Andre |
Posted on 14-06-2011 14:41
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
From how I can see it, it seems to have black antennae. That would make it a Melanogaster. It probably is M. hirtella. |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 14-06-2011 19:56
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
OMG! I didn't pay attention to the antennae. Does the female Melanogaster hirtella have that peculiar wrinkled frons like Chrysogaster solstitialis? I cannot find any pictures where I can see that feature. And thanks once more, Andre! Hope you got loads of interesting syrphids in Portugal 
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 14-06-2011 19:57 |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 17-06-2011 00:29
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Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3917 Joined: 28.07.07 |
There are photos of female Melanogaster that show a wrinkled frons! Look here: http://www.flickr...0559346/#/ . A click on the image brings you to a selection of higher magnifications.
Edited by Sundew on 17-06-2011 00:40 |
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| Andre |
Posted on 17-06-2011 17:30
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Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Piluca_Alvarez wrote: OMG! I didn't pay attention to the antennae. Does the female Melanogaster hirtella have that peculiar wrinkled frons like Chrysogaster solstitialis? I cannot find any pictures where I can see that feature. And thanks once more, Andre! Hope you got loads of interesting syrphids in Portugal Yes, it was quite interesting indeed, with several new species for the fauna again and some nice additions too. |
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| Andre |
Posted on 17-06-2011 17:32
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Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
PS: go back and collect some, males and females, please. Kill them in the freezer and send them. It can be quite interesting |
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