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| Stephen R |
Posted on 03-06-2011 23:44
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
6+mm, Clitheroe UK, 2 June 2011 My first guess is Rhinophoridae, but I wonder about the round curve in the M vein. Otherwise Phyto doesn't look far off, though I don't know about the orange frons. Just newness? I have the specimen. Edited by Stephen R on 08-06-2011 11:22 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-06-2011 10:10
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
We have to play without the picture Stephen ? 
Stephane. |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 10:29
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Oops, sorry! Didn't notice the file was too big - too much background detail. Let's try this:
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 14:23
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Here's the body:
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 14:24
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 14:25
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 14:44
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 04-06-2011 16:57
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The calyptra is too big for Rhinophoridae. There is some Sarcophagidae with a petiole. Need to look this up (or Liekele beats me to it !) Excellent pictures, by the way Theo |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 18:27
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Thanks! |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 08-06-2011 09:59
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
Maybe calyptra look big because of the angle from which the picture is taken. I would not exclude Rhinophoridae from these pictures. I have to exclude Sarcophagidae. Second picture shows tergite VI which is not present in Sarcophaginae, only in Miltogramminae. But in Miltogramminae there aren't any look alikes. However this specimen reminded me immediatly of Phyto discrepans. Therefore I have compared the pictures with my specimens and I do not see any reason why this could not be Phyto discrepans. Several "subspecies" have been described, showing some variability within the species. This specimen seems to lack stripes on thorax, but that could be an artifact in pictures. The tomentosum on the abdomen is more extensive as usual but I have similar specimens from Portugal. Liekele |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 08-06-2011 11:20
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Many thanks, Lieleke! There are rather faint dusting stripes on the thorax - the third photo (labelled 2  ) represents them fairly accurately, at least on the mesonotum. |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 09-06-2011 20:11
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Member Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire Posts: 251 Joined: 31.12.09 |
useful post |
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