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Neon yellow and black Ichneumonid (02.04.11)
Juergen Peters
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This rather big (ca. 20 mm) Ichneumonid ran around our wintergarden wall (under a cherry tree, from which the pollen may come from) in the night last Saturday northwest Germany).

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 my best guess is sphecidae
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 Definitely Ichneumonidae but not sure which

@BubikolRamios - check the length of the antennae - too long for Sphecidae Wink
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Thanks. I was rather sure about Ichneumonidae. And we don't have so many true Sphecidae (not Crabronidae) here. I only saw a Sphecid once in my lifetime here: Ammophila sabulosa.
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ChrisR wrote:
Definitely Ichneumonidae but not sure which

@BubikolRamios - check the length of the antennae - too long for Sphecidae Wink


What do u mean ?
http://agrozoo.ne...||la|||en|

I guess all my Sphecidae has a bit longer antenae then this one here.
I was looking at second image for comarison to this one here.
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BubikolRamios wrote:
ChrisR wrote:
Definitely Ichneumonidae but not sure which

@BubikolRamios - check the length of the antennae - too long for Sphecidae Wink


What do u mean ?
http://agrozoo.ne...||la|||en|

I guess all my Sphecidae has a bit longer antenae then this one here.
I was looking at second image for comarison to this one here.
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 Hello!

BubikolRamios wrote:
I guess all my Sphecidae has a bit longer antenae then this one here.


The antennae may be relatively long, but they only have 12-13 segments. In Ichneumonidae there are at least 16 much smaller segments (mostly many more). I'm not able to count the segments at this animal (too blurred in the dark sections), but there are in any case more than 13.
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Juergen Peters wrote:
The antennae may be relatively long, but they only have 12-13 segments. In Ichneumonidae there are at least 16 much smaller segments (mostly many more). I'm not able to count the segments at this animal (to blurred in the dark sections), but there are in any case more than 13.

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 I am not an expert, but your animal is overwintering fertilised female of Diphyus palliatorius or any extremely similar species.
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 Hello, Libor!

libor wrote:
I am not an expert, but your animal is overwintering fertilised female of Diphyus palliatorius or any extremely similar species.


Thank you! I had a male identified as that species already in August-09:
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 photo number one= Ichneumon stramentor Rasnitzyn female

photo number two, probably not Ichneumoninae not palliatorius?????
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photo number one= Ichneumon stramentor Rasnitzyn female


Many thanks, Camille!

photo number two, probably not Ichneumoninae not palliatorius?????


?? If I remember correctly, that was an identification by you or J. Valemberg.
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 http://www.cthirion.be/images/details.php?image_id=372&sessionid=6038c869c2903066fe3f8c62c6aa344dc


I can be mistaken but it is not the same insect????
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