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Australian Muscidae?
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Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:22
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
This looks like a Tachinidae to me but the arista are basally plumose? Malaise trap, Townsville, Queensland. Graeme Cocks attached the following image: ![]() [89.42Kb] Edited by Graeme Cocks on 02-03-2011 01:11 |
jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:23
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![]() Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
not bent M-vein, plumose arista, no strong bristles on abdomen.. I doubt it is Tachinidae..
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 02-03-2011 00:24 |
ChrisR |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:24
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![]() Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
It's possible but you really need to check for a subscutellum to be sure - it could still be a sarcophagid ![]() Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
ChrisR |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:26
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jorgemotalmeida wrote: not bent M-vein, plumose arista, no strong bristles on abdomen.. I doubt it is Tachinidae.. I wasn't sure whether there was a hidden bend - the angle of the wing could be confusing ![]() Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:34
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![]() Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
well, at least there is not a strong bent in m vein. But also as you know there are not much tachinidae with plumose arista! |
Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:42
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
another view Graeme Cocks attached the following image: ![]() [69.19Kb] |
ChrisR |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:44
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Yeah, unlikely to be a tachinid, unless you have one with a straight median vein, but that is still possible (eg. Ocytata) so it's best to just check for a subscutellum ![]() Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:44
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![]() Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
well.. m vein not bends as I told. ![]() And I agree: it is needed to see the subscutellum, if there is, just to be sure! Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 02-03-2011 00:46 |
Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:45
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
I had the fly on hand so I took the pin out and got another view. Is it of any use? Can't see a subscutellum - Sarcophagidae? Terga overlapping sterites - Tachinidae? |
ChrisR |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:48
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![]() Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7699 Joined: 12.07.04 |
No subscutellum and straight median vein would suggest Muscidae, as Jorge says. ![]() ![]() Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
Gerard Pennards |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:55
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![]() Member Location: Amersfoort Posts: 1914 Joined: 07.06.04 |
To put it simple, looks like a Muscidae to me, genus Lispe...... Wait for Nikita to see it, maybe he'll be able to confirm the idea... ![]() Greetings PS Graeme, I'm happy to see you have survived the 10 meter waves at Townsville, Greetings, Gerard Pennards |
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Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:59
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
If I am right then the hypopleuron is slightly anterior and below the spiracle, located beneath the calypters? If so then there are no bristles. |
Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 01:06
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
Hi Gerrard, We only had a couple of windows broken, which was a relief. The backyard was 8 feet deep in broken branches. A lack of insects at the moment, but they will recover quickly. BTW I have a blue box full if you want it? Started on the next box. Graeme |
ChrisR |
Posted on 02-03-2011 01:13
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No hypopleurals (you're correct on the position) puts this fly way out of my comfort zone ... so over to Nikita ![]() Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-03-2011 01:14
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![]() Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I agree with Gerard. And large palpi is one of the features that we can see in Lispe genera, and in the last photo it is clear. If it was here in europe, it would be a Lispe, really.
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 02-03-2011 01:18 |
Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 01:22
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
That's great, thanks everybody. Cheers, Graeme |
Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 02-03-2011 09:56
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![]() Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9233 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Of course Lispe as Gerard said. Probably female Lispe assimilis Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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