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 Australian Muscidae?
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| Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:22
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 Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
This looks like a Tachinidae to me but the arista are basally plumose? Malaise trap, Townsville, Queensland. Graeme Cocks attached the following image:  [89.42Kb] Edited by Graeme Cocks on 02-03-2011 00:11 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:23
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
not bent M-vein, plumose arista, no strong bristles on abdomen.. I doubt it is Tachinidae..
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 01-03-2011 23:24 |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:24
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
It's possible but you really need to check for a subscutellum to be sure - it could still be a sarcophagid 
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:26
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
jorgemotalmeida wrote: not bent M-vein, plumose arista, no strong bristles on abdomen.. I doubt it is Tachinidae.. I wasn't sure whether there was a hidden bend - the angle of the wing could be confusing
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:34
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
well, at least there is not a strong bent in m vein. But also as you know there are not much tachinidae with plumose arista! |
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| Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:42
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
another view Graeme Cocks attached the following image:  [69.19Kb] |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:44
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Yeah, unlikely to be a tachinid, unless you have one with a straight median vein, but that is still possible (eg. Ocytata) so it's best to just check for a subscutellum
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:44
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
well.. m vein not bends as I told.  And I agree: it is needed to see the subscutellum, if there is, just to be sure! Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 01-03-2011 23:46 |
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| Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:45
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
I had the fly on hand so I took the pin out and got another view. Is it of any use? Can't see a subscutellum - Sarcophagidae? Terga overlapping sterites - Tachinidae? |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:48
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
No subscutellum and straight median vein would suggest Muscidae, as Jorge says. I was never very convinced by the sternite/tergite feature ... if it lacks meral/hypopleural bristles then it would definitely be a muscid or anthomyid
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| Gerard Pennards |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:55
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 Member Location: Amersfoort Posts: 1914 Joined: 07.06.04 |
To put it simple, looks like a Muscidae to me, genus Lispe...... Wait for Nikita to see it, maybe he'll be able to confirm the idea...  Greetings PS Graeme, I'm happy to see you have survived the 10 meter waves at Townsville, Greetings, Gerard Pennards |
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| Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 01-03-2011 23:59
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
If I am right then the hypopleuron is slightly anterior and below the spiracle, located beneath the calypters? If so then there are no bristles. |
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| Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:06
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
Hi Gerrard, We only had a couple of windows broken, which was a relief. The backyard was 8 feet deep in broken branches. A lack of insects at the moment, but they will recover quickly. BTW I have a blue box full if you want it? Started on the next box. Graeme |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:13
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7706 Joined: 12.07.04 |
No hypopleurals (you're correct on the position) puts this fly way out of my comfort zone ... so over to Nikita
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:14
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I agree with Gerard. And large palpi is one of the features that we can see in Lispe genera, and in the last photo it is clear. If it was here in europe, it would be a Lispe, really.
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 02-03-2011 00:18 |
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| Graeme Cocks |
Posted on 02-03-2011 00:22
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Member Location: Townsville, Australia Posts: 3083 Joined: 09.09.08 |
That's great, thanks everybody. Cheers, Graeme |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 02-03-2011 08:56
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9559 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Of course Lispe as Gerard said. Probably female Lispe assimilis Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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