Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Odiniidae (Cambodia)
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-12-2010 02:30
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9558 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Cambodia, Kep, 06.12, on a treewound sap. Can anybody confirm Traginops orientalis Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [104.48Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 07-12-2010 11:29
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Very nice species Nikita. Of course I cannot help you with this fly, but still nice to see it 
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-12-2010 11:36
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Well, seems to be very close to the orientalis depicted here: http://diptera.jp...p;num=3814.
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-12-2010 13:18
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9558 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I requested Nina Krivosheina, she wrote chapter Odiniidae in Fauna of Russain Far East including this species, I hope she will confirm it, but I'm 98% sure as orientalis is the only Asian species of Traginops (= goat eye)
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-12-2010 13:50
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From the Japanese page I understood that subspecies have been described.
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-12-2010 14:08
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Paul, at my opinion - subspecies are the toys for Lepidopterologists, for example, they have nothing else to do. But Diptera is endless field so far, to think about such a rubbish 
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-12-2010 14:28
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
I know, but in the past subspecies have been described only to be recognised as valid species later.
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-12-2010 16:03
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9558 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I doubt that Traginops orientalis spp. naganensis Kato, 1952 will grow up to valid species: same fly in Russian Far East and on Java Isl., but different in Japan, that seems doubtful, doesn't it?
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 07-12-2010 16:18
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True, but stranger things have happened...
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| Cranefly |
Posted on 07-12-2010 17:18
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Member Location: Shachovskaya Posts: 647 Joined: 17.09.08 |
1. Anterior tarsi black-brown. Posterior metatarsus black-brown except base and apex. Frons yellow, orbita silvery. Occiput silvery with brown median spot. Scutum gray with brown spots. Femora black, dusted grey with yellow apex. Halter yellow……………………..T.orientalis orientalis - Tarsi brown-yellow ……. T.orientalis naganensis Wing pattern is very similar, but femora not black and on the figure T. orientalis has 1 facial bristle only and on the photo – 2. |
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