Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Suillia bicolor --> S. pallida
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| Auratus |
Posted on 05-11-2010 14:20
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
10-10-2010 Netherlands. Using the online key, i arrive at Suillia bicolor. Is this correct? Thanks in advance Auratus attached the following image:  [161.21Kb] Edited by Auratus on 12-11-2010 20:37 Greetings, Jan |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 05-11-2010 14:22
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Scutellum
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| Auratus |
Posted on 05-11-2010 14:22
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Arista
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| Auratus |
Posted on 05-11-2010 14:29
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Wing
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 05-11-2010 23:22
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2433 Joined: 05.01.06 |
It is rather S. pallida/S. or S. vaginata 
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 06-11-2010 09:01
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
I have found the hairs on the subscutellum which moves me in the direction of S. pallida / S. vaginata. As far as I know/can find out, S. vaginata is not found (yet) in the Netherlands, which makes me a bit doubtfull. Auratus attached the following image:  [151.93Kb] Greetings, Jan |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 06-11-2010 09:09
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Since the scutellum doesn't make the difference, the fore tarsal segment should make. What do you think of it?
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| Auratus |
Posted on 09-11-2010 07:11
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Nothing more possible? I would really like to have this one named, and i thought we were close.
Greetings, Jan |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 09-11-2010 08:38
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
If I see it correctly, on the first picture, the hairs on the sternits are rather long and pale. So, my guess is S. pallida, which is not uncommon at all in the Netherlands. To be sure 100% it is perhaps better to show us a good picture, laterally, on which you can see the hairs on the underside of the abdomen. Or prepare the genitals and make a picture of it. ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 10-11-2010 23:07
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I am only a few back from a business-trip to Germany. I was unable to check diptera.info since my last message in this thread. I see nobody reacted. Andrzej, do you agree with my observation? ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 11-11-2010 06:55
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Sorry fot my lack of response. Was very busy myself the last days. I will try to provide the extra pictures tonight or tomorrow. @Ruud, what book/articles do you use to determine the Suillia species? You are referring to different characteristics as the ones in the on-line key. Untill now i was unable to find any literature about the Suillia (Heleomyzidae), which is afforable for me. Edited by Auratus on 11-11-2010 06:55 Greetings, Jan |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 11-11-2010 09:31
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
I use an Hungarian key in the series Fauna Hungariae, written bij Laszlo Papp. I guess language may be a problem for you. I also use frequently the keys of Czerny and the key of P.Withers. ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 12-11-2010 13:56
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
More detailed picture of the hairs on the sternites. They are really long and pale indeed.
Auratus attached the following image:  [153.4Kb] Edited by Auratus on 12-11-2010 13:56 Greetings, Jan |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 12-11-2010 14:01
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Hope the picture above is detailed enough to confirm S. pallida. Preparation of the genitals is still a problem for me. I am afraid i will destroy the animal completely since it is already dry. @ Ruud. My hungarian is not to good indeed. I have found the references to the other to keys you mentioned. But i can not find any place on the net were i can buy them. Greetings, Jan |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 12-11-2010 18:25
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
The works of Czerny are very old. You cannot buy them, I think. You try to get copies of them. I made mine in the Taxonomic institute of Amsterdam. Well, Jan, the last photo is convincing me: it is pallida. Look at the long blond hairs on the sternits. ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 12-11-2010 20:36
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
Thanks very much for the assitance. I guess i will have to visit a library soon if i want to have the right keys . I have collected some other Suillia's so maybe i will call in your help in the near future. Greetings, Jan |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 12-11-2010 21:28
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
You are not a member of the dutch entomological society? If you are they are willing for quite a small amount of money to make copies for you of the keys of Czerny. But the best is, I think, to go to the Plantage Middenlaan yourself and ask for the works and make copies yourself.
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| Auratus |
Posted on 13-11-2010 15:05
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Member Location: Edam - Netherlands Posts: 423 Joined: 24.05.10 |
No Ruud, not a member (yet). Guess i will have to go to the Plantage Middenlaan one of these days  .
Greetings, Jan |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 13-11-2010 15:19
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Member Location: Leiden, the Netherlands Posts: 1988 Joined: 01.11.06 |
you will like it. Nice people there! Just visit www.nev.nl
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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