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| pat_der2003 |
Posted on 15-08-2010 08:43
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Member Location: Paris area, France Posts: 1731 Joined: 20.08.07 |
In a wood by a cloudy day, Loire-atlantique, western France, July 14 2010 ; may be 10 or 12 mm ... is it possible to Id the prey (Muscidae ?) pat_der2003 attached the following image:  [110.41Kb] |
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| pat_der2003 |
Posted on 15-08-2010 08:44
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Member Location: Paris area, France Posts: 1731 Joined: 20.08.07 |
another view
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 19-08-2010 16:36
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Female Paritamus/ Neomochtherus geniculatus. I dont think there are similar species in the area but wait for confirmation.
Edited by Quaedfliegh on 22-07-2011 17:22 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| pat_der2003 |
Posted on 20-08-2010 17:00
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Member Location: Paris area, France Posts: 1731 Joined: 20.08.07 |
Thanks Leptogaster !!  i will wait !!  |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 31-08-2010 22:00
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I hope not too long.......Anybody????
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Dysmachus |
Posted on 12-09-2010 11:18
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 Member Location: Germany Posts: 321 Joined: 15.03.06 |
Yes, it looks very similar to Neomochtherus geniculatus, but please add cf.. The genus Paritamus is already synonymized with Neomochtherus.
Edited by Dysmachus on 12-09-2010 21:16 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 12-09-2010 16:52
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Dysmachus wrote: The genus Paritamus is already synonymized with Neomochtherus. This has not changed in the Netherlands same with Tolmerus = Machimus in NL. Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Dysmachus |
Posted on 12-09-2010 21:27
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Member Location: Germany Posts: 321 Joined: 15.03.06 |
Sorry, but all of us has to accept the rules of taxonomy and nomenclature, which are international and not restrictred to a country. I don't like several news, synonyms, creations of new genera etc. But we have to use them if they are published. If you think that Paritamus is valid genus, please explain it in a paper. Nomenclature can not work without this rule - wether I life in Germany and you in the Netherlands. Pavel Lehr and Oscar Theodor separate Tolmerus and Machimus on the base of differences in the genitalia. Unfortunately this isn't visible on images. Paritamus was erected on the colour of the legs - nothing more. |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 13-09-2010 02:47
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2215 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Your argument is very clear, it is the basis of scientific nomenclature and communication. But it seems that in the Netherlands these differences are not yet accepted or, at least, adapted in literature. I am not a scientist and it is merely that in all Dutch literature (also on websites etc.)these names are (still)used. It is my startingpoint, my reference. When i'm aware of such differences i will mention both names as in casu. As mentioned, i'm not a scientist. Where can i find the scietific acknowleged nomenclature list of Asilidae species and a useful key to the European Asilidae? Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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