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 Kerkini dead fly 03 - Dalmannia marginata
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| Gordon |
Posted on 24-04-2010 15:17
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 Member Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece Posts: 1101 Joined: 02.01.08 |
At my Mezias 4 site, Northern Greece - open Oak/mixed woodland, 23 April 2010 Altitude = 250 - is it a Piophilid ???
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-04-2010 15:23
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Strange that M vein.. seems a Dalmannia sp. (Conopidae) Dorsal shot to see the abdomen... is it possible? Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 24-04-2010 15:39 |
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| Gordon |
Posted on 24-04-2010 15:38
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Member Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece Posts: 1101 Joined: 02.01.08 |
Of course it is Jorge
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-04-2010 15:40
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
WOW! it is surely a Dalmannia sp. (Conopidae). But one I never saw!!! strange that incomplete M vein! Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 24-04-2010 15:42 |
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| Gordon |
Posted on 24-04-2010 15:43
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Member Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece Posts: 1101 Joined: 02.01.08 |
Thanks Jorge, I will tell my Conopid man about it. Looking in the Gallery it is not D. dorsalis or D. punctata, that leaves D. aculeata, D. confusa and D. marginata - known from Europe - I am off to search for images elsewhere.
Edited by Gordon on 24-04-2010 16:06 Gordon |
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| Gordon |
Posted on 24-04-2010 16:19
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Member Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece Posts: 1101 Joined: 02.01.08 |
According to the key at home.hccnet.nl/mp.van.veen/conopidae/ it is D. marginata because of the all black scutellum (not visible in the pictures, but i asure you it is all black), however this key does not include D. confusa, so I still don't know for sure. Gordon |
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| Gerard Pennards |
Posted on 24-04-2010 16:27
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 Member Location: Amersfoort Posts: 1914 Joined: 07.06.04 |
Yes, it's Dalmannia marginata (Meigen, 1824) Dalmannia confusa is a synonym of Dalmannia dorsalis, and that species has at least some yellow at the humeri (shoulder), but most of the time also on the scutellum. Greetings Edited by Gerard Pennards on 24-04-2010 16:30 Greetings, Gerard Pennards |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-04-2010 16:31
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Yes. Gerard is right. Check other photo here: (page 5 - figure 4a) http://www.schweb...mannia.pdf How many specimens you have of this one? And, please, submit it to the gallery. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 24-04-2010 16:37 |
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| Gordon |
Posted on 24-04-2010 17:12
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Member Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece Posts: 1101 Joined: 02.01.08 |
OK Jorge, I have submitted it to the gallery, and sorry, but I have only the one specimen.
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 24-04-2010 17:30
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Np. Certainly you'll colect more. |
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