Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 TACHINIDAE
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Posted on 21-01-2010 10:33
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I have run this through Belshaw twice and arrived at Brachicheta, which it clearly is not. Can anyone suggest what it may be, so I can try again? UK 12 June, from wet heathland with trees. Size: 8mm length. conopid attached the following image:  [175.94Kb] Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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Posted on 21-01-2010 10:34
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
dorsal view
conopid attached the following image:  [155.32Kb] Edited by conopid on 21-01-2010 10:35 Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 21-01-2010 11:12
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Might it be from Sarcophagidae? |
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Posted on 21-01-2010 12:18
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Stephen R wrote: Might it be from Sarcophagidae? Nope, it's definitely got a sub-scutellum. 
Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| socrates |
Posted on 21-01-2010 13:07
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Member Location: California Posts: 109 Joined: 11.02.07 |
could it be a rhinophorid?
tempus fugit |
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| Smoggycb |
Posted on 21-01-2010 13:22
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Member Location: Rye Harbour, England Posts: 350 Joined: 19.05.07 |
Lydella? |
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Posted on 21-01-2010 15:00
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
I don't think it's Rhinophoridae, but I am not at all familiar with them. Lydella may be a possibilty - it does look rather like that (but then many Tachinids are superficially the same!) I'll compare with Lydella in my collection. Thanks for the suggestion.
Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| Jaakko |
Posted on 21-01-2010 19:45
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 Member Location: Joensuu, Finland Posts: 479 Joined: 04.08.08 |
Lydella (not stabulans) is a good candidate. The genus is easy to recognize: one strong bristle in the r-vein node (can be seen in the pic) and 4st (three in some stabulans females, but these have characteristic pattern on the abdomen). How does the face look like in lateral shot? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 21-01-2010 21:43
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19050 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Lydella was my first impression as well, but there are strong discals on tergites and the tip of the scutellum seems to be pinkish. The praealar seems to be short My current guess would be Chaetogena Could we please get a lateral of the face ? Theo |
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Posted on 22-01-2010 11:45
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Hi Theo, Here's a lateral of the head conopid attached the following image:  [180.16Kb] Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| Jaakko |
Posted on 22-01-2010 20:14
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Member Location: Joensuu, Finland Posts: 479 Joined: 04.08.08 |
Black hairs behind the post-ocular row... Not i]Chetogena[/i]. Were there four katepisternal bristles? The bristles on the facial ridges rise quite far, but habitus is still Lydella to me. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 22-01-2010 20:53
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19050 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I agree Looks totally like a male Lydella. But which species ? if the abdomen really is so hairy, it should be stabulans. But the vertex is too broad, the claws are short and the head profile does not fit. Apparently, the first pictures are somewhat misleading. The It is very likely the male of L. grisescens |
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Posted on 23-01-2010 10:19
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Thanks Theo, I shall investigate along those lines. This may be one that I'll have to send to Chris for determination! Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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Posted on 23-01-2010 18:32
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Yes this is Lydella and is probably L. grisescens. It was the wing venation that did not match the couplet in Belshaw, so there is a very small chance that it might be L. thompsoni. I'll send it to Chris R just in case, but most likely it's grisescens.
Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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Posted on 23-01-2010 18:33
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Yes this is Lydella and is probably L. grisescens. It was the wing venation that did not match the couplet in Belshaw, so there is a very small chance that it might be L. thompsoni. I'll send it to Chris R just in case, but most likely it's grisescens. Thanks for the help everyone. Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 25-01-2010 00:37
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Just came in on this thread ... been a tad busy  I'd be glad to have a look at it - anytime 
Manager of the UK Species Inventory in the Angela Marmont Centre for UK Biodiversity at the Natural History Museum, London. |
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| conopid |
Posted on 29-01-2010 11:43
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Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Chris, Great,I have it in a box along with a few other specimens for validation/determination. Did you get the spreadsheet of Tachinid records I emailed a few days ago? Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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