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| Toby |
Posted on 11-12-2009 12:06
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 Member Location: SW LONDON Posts: 552 Joined: 12.01.07 |
Burnham Beeches, Berks, Dec 6
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| pwalter |
Posted on 11-12-2009 14:29
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 Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
Seems to be a Platypezid male, any moe views? |
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| michal tkoc |
Posted on 11-12-2009 17:27
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 Member Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 237 Joined: 07.11.06 |
I think it's not a platypezid, but dont know what it could be 
Curator of Diptera, Entomology Department, National Museum Prague. PhD. Student, Charles University. Prague, Czech Republic. |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 11-12-2009 21:57
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I would have said Opetia nigra, but I'm probably wrong then...
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| Kahis |
Posted on 11-12-2009 22:40
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 1999 Joined: 02.09.04 |
Hmm I would have said Opetia too, but I've been wrong before (it's hard to believe isnt it ... me wrong?)
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 11-12-2009 23:03
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
I would have said Opetia nigra, too, but if the person mentioned as specilist for Platypezidae and Opetiidae does not recognise it as such... And to be honest, the way the wing venation appears to be it does seem to be off for that species. I could not think of an alternative either...
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| Toby |
Posted on 11-12-2009 23:26
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Member Location: SW LONDON Posts: 552 Joined: 12.01.07 |
only other view is much the same
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| michal tkoc |
Posted on 12-12-2009 00:34
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Member Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 237 Joined: 07.11.06 |
It could be O. nigra, but I am not really sure, the wing venation is not visible, legs and abdomen too. And I dont have any specimen with me this time to compare
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| Xespok |
Posted on 13-12-2009 23:04
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Can it not be Microphor sp, Microphoridae?
Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 13-12-2009 23:05
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Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
I also made photos of this or a very similar species.
Xespok attached the following image:  [111.51Kb] Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 13-12-2009 23:06
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Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
But I would be more happy if it turned out to be Opetia... The fly is from early spring, Hunagry. Xespok attached the following image:  [91.66Kb] Gabor Keresztes Japan Wildlife Gallery Carpathian Basin Wildlife Gallery |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 13-12-2009 23:07
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
This looks like a Microphor and it has a discal cell. The first species doesn't have it. The antenae are different, too.
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| michal tkoc |
Posted on 14-12-2009 02:39
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Member Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 237 Joined: 07.11.06 |
Now, it seems to me like Opetia nigra too, sorry to all for confusing you. I checked the book, key, other photos and it is identical, unfortunately, cant check the specimen. With all respect, Michal
Curator of Diptera, Entomology Department, National Museum Prague. PhD. Student, Charles University. Prague, Czech Republic. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 14-12-2009 07:11
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Hehe, Errare humane est, and this forum has showed often enough I am human, too (even though people like Roger, André and Jorge may try to convince you otherwise; and even I have my doubts on occasional).
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| michal tkoc |
Posted on 14-12-2009 13:20
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Member Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 237 Joined: 07.11.06 |
:-) One of my professor said: "To have doubts, it is a basic and most important ability of a scientist."
Edited by michal tkoc on 14-12-2009 13:20 Curator of Diptera, Entomology Department, National Museum Prague. PhD. Student, Charles University. Prague, Czech Republic. |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 14-12-2009 13:32
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 Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5268 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Paul Beuk wrote: Hehe, Errare humane est, and this forum has showed often enough I am human, too (even though people like Roger, André and Jorge may try to convince you otherwise; and even I have my doubts on occasional). Why am I getting dragged into this conversation....It is obvious you are human Paul, as the proper way to spell it is Errare Humanum Est according to the WWW. So once again you have proved it.  Roger....wind up merchant and Non-Latin speaker.  |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 14-12-2009 14:18
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Okay, since you insist: the full quote is errare humanum est, sed perseverare diabolicum and I guess that's where you come in. 
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 14-12-2009 14:39
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Bullseye! |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 14-12-2009 14:41
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5268 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Hmm..diabolicum me... ...I was thinking more like; Errare humanum est, ignoscere divinum. But I don't believe in either so...that's where I go out... Roger |
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| Roger Thomason |
Posted on 14-12-2009 14:42
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Member Location: Mossbank,Shetland Isles. Posts: 5268 Joined: 17.07.08 |
Stephen R wrote: Bullseye! Bullshit |
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