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 Sciarid larva
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 07-11-2009 15:12
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 Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Edit: I have been told it is probably a beetle  Sorry if it's something else, please move if I am in the worng forum. Norway, 07.11, 5mm edit: I went out again and collected it, it s over 10mm streched out  It came crawling out of a mushroom. cyprinoid attached the following image:  [109.06Kb] Edited by cyprinoid on 10-11-2009 16:23 Hyperbolizer |
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| Cranefly |
Posted on 08-11-2009 12:22
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Member Location: Shachovskaya Posts: 647 Joined: 17.09.08 |
Very strange larva. Looks like something close to Mycetophilidae, fully grown larva shortened before pupation. Other opinions?? |
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| atylotus |
Posted on 09-11-2009 10:21
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 Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1162 Joined: 29.05.09 |
I also think it looks very much like a Mycetophilidae. Very dark head, no thoracic legs or any other rudimentary legs/pseudopods. first thoracic segement as well as at least 4 (-6?) abdominal segments with a pair of lateral spiracles (black dots). I donīt think it is a beetle larva, for most families have segmented (thoracic) legs, and if not (for instance Curculionidae) most terrestrial species have something like a pygopodium (an unsegmented walking leg at the last abd. segment). But I do not know every beetle-larvae. A detailed photo of the head in ventral view would help. The shape of the head capsule and its mandibles are quit unique. If this turned out to be a Diptera, then it must be a Mycetophilidae. |
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 09-11-2009 14:40
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Here are some close-ups of the head, made with my toy usb microscope
cyprinoid attached the following image:  [161.93Kb] Edited by cyprinoid on 09-11-2009 14:40 Hyperbolizer |
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| atylotus |
Posted on 10-11-2009 09:26
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Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1162 Joined: 29.05.09 |
Mycetophilidae. At the base of the head capsule you'll see a yellow 'hole' which is in fact an unchitinized part of the head capsule. This is unique for fungus gnat larvae. |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 10-11-2009 09:49
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Hmm, where exactly is this 'hole'?
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 10-11-2009 12:14
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Interesting, I did collect with the idea of rearing, but with my 0 insight, it dried up within a day. Can't say I really made a huge effort though. Paul, would you be interested in adding pics to gallery? Hyperbolizer |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 10-11-2009 12:20
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Sure
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 10-11-2009 12:47
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Do you want me to submit, or do you just pick them off here? I don't know if it is even remotely interesting but here's a pic of the mushrooms. Diameter of the hats are 20-30 cm. PS: While photographing the mushrooms today, I found another larva half-way emerged and frozen stiff. cyprinoid attached the following image:  [159.41Kb] Edited by cyprinoid on 10-11-2009 12:50 Hyperbolizer |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 10-11-2009 13:07
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
You submit and provide the proper additional information. 
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| atylotus |
Posted on 10-11-2009 13:56
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Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1162 Joined: 29.05.09 |
Sorry for the inconvenience, but I think I made a mistake. A Sciaridae larvae may also be one of the possibilities. I have edited the head capsule of the norwegian specimen and this is what I mean by a hole in the headcapsule. In the next reply you'll see what is meant from the publication by Smith (1989). In Sciaridae there is a complete or nearly complete posterior tentorial bridge (p.t.b), which is lacking in Mycetophilidae. In Sciaridae larvae it seems as if there is an extra hole. So the mistake is, that I thought this was present in Mycetophilidae, but it isn't. So If you see this hole and the ptb, and I think this is present in the Norwegian specimen, then it is a Sciaridae. If not then it is a Mycetophilidae. Sorry for my mistake. Ton atylotus attached the following image:  [32.59Kb] Edited by atylotus on 10-11-2009 13:57 |
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| atylotus |
Posted on 10-11-2009 13:59
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Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1162 Joined: 29.05.09 |
and here is a excerpt from Smith (1989) with the headcapsules in Mycetophilidae (fig. 86 or left) and Sciaridae (fig 87) with the characteristic Posterior tentorial bridge (ptb), forming an extra gap or hole.
atylotus attached the following image:  [47.26Kb] Edited by atylotus on 10-11-2009 14:03 |
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| cyprinoid |
Posted on 10-11-2009 16:40
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Member Location: Norway Posts: 1751 Joined: 19.06.09 |
Thank you! The larva is now history as my 18 month old son hit the (open) container with what can be best described as some kind of karate chop, and the dried up thing fell on the floor ...somewhere.
Edited by cyprinoid on 10-11-2009 16:41 Hyperbolizer |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 10-11-2009 17:09
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Now you can understand why our daughter was not allowed din the study while entoomology was carried out...
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