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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-11-2009 20:12
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 Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
hi flyforum, This fly looks a bit like Pseudolyciella, but just a bit., What kind of Lauxaniidae is it? on bark of Beech. place: Amsterdam forest date: 4-11-2009 Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [178.19Kb] Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-11-2009 20:13
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
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Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [156.44Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 04-11-2009 20:13 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 04-11-2009 20:14
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
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Robert Heemskerk attached the following image:  [144.26Kb] Edited by Robert Heemskerk on 04-11-2009 20:14 Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| katerina dvorakova |
Posted on 04-11-2009 21:02
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 Member Location: Czech Republic Posts: 399 Joined: 25.03.08 |
Hi Robert, it is Pseudolyciella, where do you see the difference? Katka |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 05-11-2009 11:43
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thank you Katerina for responding, In the Netherlands there are three species of Pseudolyciella; 1. Pseudolyciella pallidiventris (Fallén, 1820) 2. Pseudolyciella stylata Papp, 1978 3. Pseudolyciella subpallidiventris Papp, 1978 These species can only identified by male genitalien. Other species I found in the forest, where called P. cf. pallidiventris. Do you think it's P. cf. pallidiventris? Or is Pseudolyciella sp. much better? greeting Robert, Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 05-11-2009 12:49
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Species have been found together. It will remain 'sp.' Although the male genitalia of the separate species as given in their (re)descriptions are distinctive, I am under the impression that intermediates in shapes exist. Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 05-11-2009 13:10
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
thank you for your answer Paul, Species have been found together. It will remain 'sp.' Pseudolyciella pallidiventris and Pseudolyciella subpallidiventris? ? Or is it for all three species; 1. P. pallidiventris, 2. P. stylata Papp and 3. P. subpallidiventris? (I'll ask this, trying to make a better administration on waarneming.nl of this group/species) Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 05-11-2009 15:00
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
In general: On one site more than one Pseudolyciella can occur, so there is no guarantee that once you have found one species at a certain date, that you will find the same species the next time. Without a voucher specimen or an extremely lucky shot that shows male genitalia, all pictures will remain Pseudolyciella sp. or Pseudolyciella pallidiventris group (sp.). In the Netherlands that is the same. Edited by Paul Beuk on 05-11-2009 15:01 Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info |
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| Robert Heemskerk |
Posted on 05-11-2009 15:52
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Member Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 2082 Joined: 17.10.05 |
Thank you Paul, I'll not separate these species in groups then, but put them together in the: - Pseudolyciella sp. greeting, Robert Greeting, Robert Heemskerk ---- WWW: http://robertheem...ndedag.htm --- |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 05-11-2009 17:26
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2158 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Like Paul, I'm under the impression that intermediates exist. So even if you have collected the specimens and you're dealing with male specimens it's not certain you can positively identify the material. I found several specimens in beer trap samples of the last few weeks, but only females 
Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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