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 Lauxaniidae Meiosimyza rorida?
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 00:54
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Hi, Is this correct? Or is it not possible from photos? Taken on 31st October 2009. Near Lincoln Uk. Approx. 6mm long. 4 pics. Thanks! Janet  (edited to change title) blowave attached the following image:  [86.21Kb] Edited by blowave on 02-11-2009 20:07 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 00:55
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pic 2
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 00:56
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 00:56
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Pic 4
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| katerina dvorakova |
Posted on 02-11-2009 10:05
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 Member Location: Czech Republic Posts: 399 Joined: 25.03.08 |
Probably yes, but scutellum and costa is not visible. Katka |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 02-11-2009 11:04
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2409 Joined: 05.01.06 |
Hmm, it is not a Suillia  . Humeral bristle present, two katepisternals, Mesopleuron with a big dot ! (maybe it is the base of a missing bristle ?)Anndrzej dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 02-11-2009 13:31
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2409 Joined: 05.01.06 |
next: two orbitals, and big acrostichal setulae, posterior cross-vein darkened ... hmm, it should be a new "Heleomyzoid" tribe even it is not a Lauxaniid "formed" fly 
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 14:03
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thank you Katerina and Andrzej, it looks like it's a difficult one!  It was too high to get a pic of the scuttelum from above,  I will keep my eyes open for it and try to get more pics if it should come again.Andrzey, you said: it should be a new "Heleomyzoid" tribe even it is not a Lauxaniid "formed" fly Any more thoughts on that? |
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 02-11-2009 14:17
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2409 Joined: 05.01.06 |
In my opinion it's not a Heleomyzid fly 
dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 14:21
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Andrzej wrote: In my opinion it's not a Heleomyzid fly Thanks Andrzej! Any more thoughts as to where it could be placed, a 'gut' instinct perhaps? |
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| conopid |
Posted on 02-11-2009 14:28
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 Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Blowave, It's far easier if you collect the specimen
Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 14:31
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
conopid wrote: Blowave, It's far easier if you collect the specimen I don't like doing that.  But I do understand the need! That is if it is possible to get the thing before it flies off!
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| lagura |
Posted on 02-11-2009 14:35
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 Member Location: Helsingborg, Sweden Posts: 1241 Joined: 24.10.08 |
FWIW, to my untrained eye this looks like a Lauxaniidae.
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 16:21
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Thanks lagura, my eye is probably more untrained than yours, but I was going on the pic in the gallery of Suillia bicolor and it looks very much like that. It's your pic identified by Andrzej!  http://diptera.in...to_id=4775 I have cropped off the pics to their full magnification to come within the 600 pixels, only the front end but if anyone wants me to crop off the tail end I can do that too. They might show the details better. blowave attached the following image:  [118.22Kb] Edited by blowave on 02-11-2009 16:25 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 16:22
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 16:23
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 16:23
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| Andrzej |
Posted on 02-11-2009 16:31
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Member Location: Poland Posts: 2409 Joined: 05.01.06 |
So, any vibrissa ! definitely it's a lauxaniid fly  Andrzej dr. A. J. Woznica, Institute of Environmental Biology, Wroclaw University of Environmental & Life Sciences |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:03
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Andrzej wrote: So, any vibrissa ! definitely it's a lauxaniid fly Andrzej Thanks again Andrzej! And dare I suggest Meiosimyza rorida? I found on a google an old thread where Paul said it should have a row of short setulae on the inner side of the fore femur. I'm not sure if that can be seen on my pics either! http://www.dipter...;pid=45523 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 02-11-2009 20:10
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Looking at the first of the cropped pics, the right side front inner femur is visible, and I can see some short setulae, or short bristles if that's what is meant!
Edited by blowave on 02-11-2009 20:11 |
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