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LordV	#1 Posted on 15-07-2006 22:08
Member Location: Posts: 671 Joined: 06.09.05	Small Ichneumon I assume, sitting on my car. Taken today South coast UK. Bug about 4mm long not including ovipositor. Shot taken at 3:1 and focus stacked from 2 shots. Any ID ideas? Thanks Brian V.


Jan Willem	#2 Posted on 16-07-2006 16:16
Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2124 Joined: 24.07.04	Hi Brian, My guess would be that this is a member of the family Braconidae. Jan Willem


LordV	#3 Posted on 17-07-2006 21:58
Member Location: Posts: 671 Joined: 06.09.05	Thanks Jan Brian V.


Paul Beuk	#4 Posted on 18-07-2006 08:12
Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19226 Joined: 11.05.04	Jan Willem, how about Alysiinae? Paul - - - - Paul Beuk on https://diptera.info


Jan Willem	#5 Posted on 18-07-2006 08:38
Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2124 Joined: 24.07.04	Hi Paul, I don't think this one belongs to the Alysiinae. The mandibles don't seem alysiine-like to me. Furthermore I don't know any Alysiinae with such a narrow first abdominal segment! I'm thinking about Euphorinae, but that is nothing more than a wild guess. Jan Willem


Robert Nash	#6 Posted on 18-07-2006 08:55
Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05	There is anOnline key beginning with the couplet Ichneumonidae/ Braconidae from the Wharton lab if you have a specimen Brian. I think we need the wing venation otherwise (and probably anyway so always try for a dorsal view). But I think this is one you know or you don't know.I don't. http://hymenoptera.tamu.edu/keys/?taxcpl=cpl&taxcpl_id=2 The Wharton Lab keys are new to me. They are listed here http://hymenoptera.tamu.edu/keys/ Anyone interested in Tephritidae might like the key on parasitoids of that family. Robert


Jan Willem	#7 Posted on 18-07-2006 12:36
Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2124 Joined: 24.07.04	Hi, Kees van Achterberg (specialist on Braconidae) confirmed my "wild guess". According to him it is probably a species of the genus Meteorus [Braconidae: Eurphorinae]. Jan Willem


Robert Nash	#8 Posted on 18-07-2006 13:01
Member Location: Ulster Museum, Belfast, Ireland Posts: 288 Joined: 11.11.05	Hi, Very impressive Jan.Obviously a very well informed guess .We won't get any higher an authority than Kees so that's it -a species of the genus Meteorus. Nice to have such a good photo. Robert


Jan Willem	#9 Posted on 18-07-2006 13:59
Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2124 Joined: 24.07.04	Hi Robert, Well, I have to admit that I am not entirely unfamiliar with braconids. I have been studying Dutch Opiinae under the supervision of Kees. However that was about 10 years ago. During the last 8 years I have not been studying Braconidae at all. But apparently I still remembered some of the things Kees tried to teach me. Jan Willem


cthirion	#10 Posted on 18-07-2006 16:09
Member Location: Awirs (Flémalle) Belgique Posts: 901 Joined: 13.08.04	C van Achterberg thinks Euphorinae Meteorus cthirion


Jan Willem	#11 Posted on 18-07-2006 20:44
Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2124 Joined: 24.07.04	Hi Cthirion, Kees already told me that you also asked to give his opinion about this specimen! So did I Jan Willem


LordV	#12 Posted on 18-07-2006 22:09
Member Location: Posts: 671 Joined: 06.09.05	Thanks for all the ID help everyone. Just for interest , think I might have snapped the male today. Well it looks similar anyway. Edited by LordV on 18-07-2006 22:10


cthirion	#13 Posted on 18-07-2006 22:34
Member Location: Awirs (Flémalle) Belgique Posts: 901 Joined: 13.08.04	! cthirion


jorgemotalmeida	#14 Posted on 18-07-2006 22:38
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	wow! so such impressive images!