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 Carnidae? NE Hungary, Sept
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| pwalter |
Posted on 27-09-2009 00:02
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 Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
Hi! I think I found some Carnids! They are a bit under 2 mms. On animal dropping. Male:
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| pwalter |
Posted on 27-09-2009 00:04
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female. Look the nice yellow halteres!
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| pwalter |
Posted on 27-09-2009 00:05
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 27-09-2009 00:25
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9493 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Correct. Some Meoneura
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| pwalter |
Posted on 27-09-2009 08:33
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Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
Thanks! The male is so small, that I'mafraid if I tried do cut terminalia off and put it in KOH I'd destroy it, so I think I1ll cut the whole abdomen off. But later, now I have hundreds of fresh specimens of every kind (atrhropods mainly), so no time for microscope... |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 29-01-2010 21:54
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Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
Hi, can this Carnid be determined? What is that appendage?
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| pwalter |
Posted on 29-01-2010 21:55
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Posted on 29-01-2010 21:58
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Posted on 29-01-2010 21:58
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 02-02-2010 19:22
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I'll ask Andrey Ozerov 
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 02-02-2010 19:23
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Irina Brake should be able to tell you as well.
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 02-02-2010 19:53
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Andrey needs lateral view of genitalia and frons colour.
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| pwalter |
Posted on 02-02-2010 20:42
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Thank You, I'll make lateral shots at weekend (the thing just did not want to show the side...). All the head was black.
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| pwalter |
Posted on 08-02-2010 15:32
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Hi, I made new pics, hopefully they help!
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| pwalter |
Posted on 08-02-2010 15:33
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Posted on 08-02-2010 15:34
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 08-02-2010 20:40
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According Andrey Ozerov it is M. cf. pseudotriangularis L.Papp Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 08-02-2010 21:26
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Thank You very much and many thanks for Andrey Ozerov. When was it described? How could it be more sure? Again, I found a species decribed by Papp  |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 11-02-2010 21:54
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Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
PS: Too bad, Dr. Papp does not seem to use his email-adress... So I can't ask him about his opinion. |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 16-02-2010 18:23
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Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
I did someresearch on this one, and I managed to find the article in University Library describing this species: Papp, L. Milichiidae and Carnidae (Diptera) from Mongolia. (1976) Acta Zool. Acad. Sci. Hun. 22 (3-4) 369-387. Holotype male: Central aimak: Ulan-Baator, Nucht im Bogdo ul, 12 km SE vom Zentrum, 1650 m, 3. VI, 1967 (Nr. 762), Dr. Z. Kaszab. It has a middle-long secription, so far I can tell that halters of my specimens are consistent to the description. But tarsal joints should be black. Genitalie more or less fit, but now I see that I will have t make new photos of them, maybe clear it a bit more in NaOH. Also, pics of frons are needed. I'm really excited aboute this specimen, it may be a new species to the family of Europe! AFAIK, it is known only by the holotype from Mongolia 
Walter Pfliegler - Amateur Nature Photographer from Hungary (and molecular biologist) |
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