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| pat_der2003 |
Posted on 01-06-2009 22:04
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Member Location: Paris area, France Posts: 1731 Joined: 20.08.07 |
along the river La Seine, near Paris, France, may 21 2009. am i rigth and is it possible to go to sp level ? pat_der2003 attached the following image:  [143.03Kb] Edited by pat_der2003 on 02-06-2009 18:10 |
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| pat_der2003 |
Posted on 01-06-2009 22:06
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Member Location: Paris area, France Posts: 1731 Joined: 20.08.07 |
another one but a different individual
pat_der2003 attached the following image:  [102.66Kb] |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 02-06-2009 09:01
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
Almost certainly Anthomyia procellaris Rondani male. There is another Anthomyia species, bazini Seguy, which can only be separated by examination of the genitalia, but it is very rare and I do not think it is likely to occur near Paris I looked up the typelocality, where Seguy's specimen came from, and it is Seine-et-Marne, so perhaps it is not impossible that it is bazini, but procellaris is very common and bazini is hardly ever found. |
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| pat_der2003 |
Posted on 02-06-2009 18:09
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Member Location: Paris area, France Posts: 1731 Joined: 20.08.07 |
Many thanks for your ID and the precisions that go with it !!  but i'm a little bit puzzled because Seine et Marne is just the neighbouring département from the place i've shot this fly ... so it's really not far from this place ... few dozens of km so what should i save about this fly's ID : Anthomyia procellaris/bazini, Anthomyia cf procellaris, ... ? Thanks again !! |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 02-06-2009 20:30
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
If you want a definite ID you must catch a specimen and examine the genitalia. It is 99% certain that it is A. procellaris which is very common, bazini was described 70 years ago and no further specimens have been recorded in northern France. It was found in Wales a few years ago, and otherwise in mountainous districts in Europe. You can't record anthomyiids purely from a photograph. |
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| pat_der2003 |
Posted on 02-06-2009 21:26
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Member Location: Paris area, France Posts: 1731 Joined: 20.08.07 |
so i'll keep it as "A. procellaris 99%" ;-) i know from this forum that Anthomyid are tricky all the more from only pictures info !! thanks again Michael for your ID and the complete info about those spp !  |
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