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Pinned Phaonia consobrina
JariF	#1 Posted on 29-03-2009 12:17
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Hi, I have hundreds of pinned Muscidae and Anthomyiidae waiting fo ID. I try little by little get some touch with them, so I will send here maybe too many pictures. If so, please let me know ok ? I think this could be a member of Phaonia 9.5.2008 Helsinki, Finland. Jari JariF attached the following image: [113.4Kb] Edited by JariF on 23-04-2009 04:39


JariF	#2 Posted on 30-03-2009 19:19
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Any hope with this one ? Jari


Stephane Lebrun	#3 Posted on 30-03-2009 20:14
Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07	There is hope if some details are visible : how many post dc ? presence of prestut. acr ? At first glance, it looks like Phaonia serva... Stephane.


JariF	#4 Posted on 31-03-2009 06:20
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Does this picture help ? Jari JariF attached the following image: [92.91Kb]


JariF	#5 Posted on 01-04-2009 11:02
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Well Stephane, any hope now ? Jari


JariF	#6 Posted on 07-04-2009 18:23
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	And this one is still in the line Jari


javanerkelens	#7 Posted on 07-04-2009 21:19
Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07	I get the strange feeling , that this is Polietes domitor.. (is the radial node haired..?) Joke van Erkelens


Nikita Vikhrev	#8 Posted on 07-04-2009 21:40
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9553 Joined: 24.05.05	No, Joke, Phaonia is correct, one of the group with proturding mouthedge and long proboscis. My vote rather for Ph.alpicola than Ph.serva, but it isn't ID, but rather advice to Jari what he should check first. Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


javanerkelens	#9 Posted on 07-04-2009 21:52
Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07	Oke.! (I have clearly stil ignorance of foreign species...)


JariF	#10 Posted on 08-04-2009 14:58
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Ok, I must go on with my Muscidae detective job Some Phaonia alpicola has been found only from the very Northest part of Finland. Phaonia serva should have 1-3 presutural ac; this one has not. I tried to follow my key and ended to a wild quess How abouth Phaonia consobrina ? Jari


Nikita Vikhrev	#11 Posted on 08-04-2009 16:40
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9553 Joined: 24.05.05	Jari, I think I can see 1 pair of prst ac, badly visible on black background. Are you sure it hasn't? Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


JariF	#12 Posted on 08-04-2009 16:52
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Well, the fly is still under my microscope and I really cant's see them. Just normal short hairs but no ac setae at all. Jari


Nikita Vikhrev	#13 Posted on 08-04-2009 17:42
Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9553 Joined: 24.05.05	So: 0 ac, proturding mouthedge and long proboscis. Best wishes in ID! Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University


Stephane Lebrun	#14 Posted on 08-04-2009 20:34
Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07	Sorry to have been so long to reply (a hard drive problem ). It's really more difficult than I expected. I'd need the specimen for this one... Stephane.


JariF	#15 Posted on 09-04-2009 08:38
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Ok, You will get the specimen Jari


Stephane Lebrun	#16 Posted on 22-04-2009 21:04
Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07	Received today, and identified. This is Phaonia consobrina ! Stephane.


JariF	#17 Posted on 23-04-2009 04:40
Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06	Thank You so much Stephane !! So I was right with the ID and this feels good Jari